Welcome to the #LongestTrainEU #CrossBorderRail record breaking thread!
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@jon oh god, AI is coming for the trains!
@petes_bread_eqn_xls @jon Some people just have six fingers on each hand
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@jon Here is an elk sign for comparison. They should be taken seriously, elk accidents are no fun.
Reindeer, on the other hand, are pretty harmless and max a nuisance: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRsIZiA8AZA
@sebwilken huh. Looks like a moose to me.
EDIT: OMG. Sorry. Elk is a different thing here in Canada. See the disambiguation on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk
Sorry for causing confusion
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Can some Finn please explain this road sign seen in Kemijärvi earlier?
Is it "you will only hit elk on the roads in half of Finland"? Is there some elk wall across the middle of the country?
EDIT: OK, it's a reindeer herding area
But I have questions!
The antlers on that sign are wrong.
And given I was a LONG way into the area, why do I need the map?
It's the area where reindeer herding and breeding is taking place. Basically Finnish Lapland.
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@bellinghman Ah that's a handy idea. Will explore tomorrow! Thank you!
@jon @bellinghman TGVs are especially "GPS-proof". (Oldish) Sleeper trains tend to let the signal go through but the very decayed train from Llubjana to Trieste was more touchy (here yes but 20 cm to left nothing). it's not linked to age brand new Avanti west coast train are totally gps transparent whereas the rather new bombardier main line swiss train seems to be very gps opaque.
In brief, it's strange and unreliable.
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This is the data discrepancy between the screen at Kemi (no train to Haparanda shown tomorrow) and Finntraffic's website where a train is shown (and it is on VR's site too)
@jon might be filtering out tomorrow's trains (night trains start before midnight, so counted as today's)
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@jon @bellinghman TGVs are especially "GPS-proof". (Oldish) Sleeper trains tend to let the signal go through but the very decayed train from Llubjana to Trieste was more touchy (here yes but 20 cm to left nothing). it's not linked to age brand new Avanti west coast train are totally gps transparent whereas the rather new bombardier main line swiss train seems to be very gps opaque.
In brief, it's strange and unreliable.
Yes. Some airliners too
I would expect the vestibule between carriages to be a bit more transparent, what with the flexible materials, but it does vary a bit. On the other hand, having popped up to Edinburgh and back on Lumo (one night up there), those trains are quite acceptable at the seats, and I can get pretty reliable speed metering on them
(DigiHUD Android app uses GPS for speed measurement)
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@jon I don't really know why it's this way. In the south you just get regular warning signs with moose or deer, maybe it's to make the difference clear (and the fact that the danger doesn't stop after a couple of km.)
Reindeer, being half tame behave quite differently than moose. They might decide to not be scared of a car at all.
I am guessing!!!
But maybe it's just like a symbol? How would you show/display if you want to say "the northern part of Finland"? Most likely with a map wouldn't you?
Just as someone decided to use the silhouette of the deer instead of just the head or hooves or footprint. Just because it's the most forward understandable symbol.
What's missing on the sign is a symbol for "breeding". Maybe two Reindeers on top of each other and a smaller one?
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I am guessing!!!
But maybe it's just like a symbol? How would you show/display if you want to say "the northern part of Finland"? Most likely with a map wouldn't you?
Just as someone decided to use the silhouette of the deer instead of just the head or hooves or footprint. Just because it's the most forward understandable symbol.
What's missing on the sign is a symbol for "breeding". Maybe two Reindeers on top of each other and a smaller one?
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And it looks like the most delicate train tomorrow is scheduled to get *to* Haparanda, and hence I can take it back to Boden
https://1409.se/position?tagNr=7182&datum=2026-09-08&lang=en&trainID=6124114
No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
@jon oh no
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
@jon Noooooo !
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
@jon Not sure if I think it's better here than in Lisboa…
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
@jon As the swedes would say: fy fan!
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
So I could...
Change my rules, take a rail replacement bus Haparanda - Boden, anyway miss my connection in Boden, and re-plan and be on schedule by Hamburg - with some buffer
Wait for the next train, and massively re-plan, and rely on a 11 minute connection Snälltåget to Nightjet in Hamburg...
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
@jon Norrtåg? They seem to do it *all the time*!
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No
Train cancelled
It has all broken in Haparanda
@jon Damn. Time to adjust your rules then and accept taking a rail replacement bus as long as it is not scheduled in advance?
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@jon Norrtåg? They seem to do it *all the time*!
@sebwilken Yes. And I *even had a meeting scheduled with their CEO in Umeå* (now cancelled)
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@jon Damn. Time to adjust your rules then and accept taking a rail replacement bus as long as it is not scheduled in advance?
@tml It doesn't even help much - driving to Boden takes longer, so I get stuck in Boden instead! Although waiting for the next train in Haparanda is even worse in terms of timetable.
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@sebwilken Yes. And I *even had a meeting scheduled with their CEO in Umeå* (now cancelled)
@jon Such a same!! I heard it so many times now that there must be a system behind. When the number of bookings is smaller than x they send a bus.
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So I could...
Change my rules, take a rail replacement bus Haparanda - Boden, anyway miss my connection in Boden, and re-plan and be on schedule by Hamburg - with some buffer
Wait for the next train, and massively re-plan, and rely on a 11 minute connection Snälltåget to Nightjet in Hamburg...
@jon I'd say the train-replacement-bus is fair game here.
That 11 min connection (realistic?) might just cause another missed train later on?
