Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@Javensbukan @EUCommission Oh don't get me wrong. I think Apple should offer more models. I just don't think they should be forced to do so.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @Javensbukan @EUCommission And the point is that Apple is removing choice for all users, then stomping the ground and withholding one feature.
If all Apple fanboys would direct anger where it belongs, Apple would stop this silly behaviour sooner, so let’s stop being weirdly antagonistic against EU when they do good things
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission no, the reason is that Apple does not want ANY random LLM to be able to scan our phones, the EU and their braindead people deciding on this should get their shit together and simply allow Apple to use what they think is the best. I want SIRI AI and I don't want you to dictate what Apple can or cannot! I hope my country leaves the EU soon, I really hope so!
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@tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka What are we protecting with these overcomplicated rules that end up in annoying cookie alerts at the end? Are we forcing “interoperability” on customers who clearly don’t care? I’ll buy an Android phone if I want interoperability and replaceable services.
@zsolt no, nobody have to put cookies banner on his site, if he don't tracks you.
The shame of cookie banner is on site owners, not EU. Please. -
@zsolt @algernon @EUCommission My opinion is that if Apple would play by EU rules then it would be beneficial for every user. Of course since they resist it is a hassle instead. But that’s entirely Apple’s call.
@gklka @algernon @EUCommission We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, which is fucking frustrating, because as a user I shouldn’t even care about that. What I do care about is that I can’t use features of a product I bought (for years) because of political games.
I’m not saying Apple is doing the right thing here. They are not. But neither the EU.
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@lumi @leeloo @EUCommission I agree with you there. I think Europe should be promoting more competition and more ethical choices rather than regulating what exists
@webjac @lumi @leeloo @EUCommission That’s a bit of a false dilemma. We should and can do both.
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@lumi @webjac @EUCommission
And thus we need stronger laws, not weaker.@leeloo @lumi @EUCommission I disagree on that solution, but I'm no expert on that
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@phillip @webjac @EUCommission
I agree with intelligent regulation.
Security. Privacy. Environmental impact. Etc.
But choice or otherwise of AI software is not the battle to have.
It undermines the efforts to do useful regulation.
If the EU wants to fight for interoperability it should fight Microsoft on document formats - and stop buying Microsoft software itself (which it does, hugely).
@rzeta0 @phillip @EUCommission that's a better use of their time, totally agree.
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@gklka @algernon @EUCommission We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, which is fucking frustrating, because as a user I shouldn’t even care about that. What I do care about is that I can’t use features of a product I bought (for years) because of political games.
I’m not saying Apple is doing the right thing here. They are not. But neither the EU.
@zsolt @algernon @EUCommission As much as I love Apple, they are for the money here and EU is for us.
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@gklka @algernon @EUCommission We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, which is fucking frustrating, because as a user I shouldn’t even care about that. What I do care about is that I can’t use features of a product I bought (for years) because of political games.
I’m not saying Apple is doing the right thing here. They are not. But neither the EU.
@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission What is wrong with the EU trying to enforce that all players play by the same rules?
Because that's the gist of this, really.
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@samueljohnson @EUCommission I just don't want anybody thinking they're defending my interest. I'm an adult, let me defend my interests myself.
@webjac @samueljohnson @EUCommission That reads like Apple PR propaganda. «I agree but here’s how I completely don’t agree and companies should be able to do anything they want!»
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@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission What is wrong with the EU trying to enforce that all players play by the same rules?
Because that's the gist of this, really.
@algernon @gklka @EUCommission Nothing is wrong with that. But that’s not what is happening in real life, and the customer gets punished.
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@EUCommission You are neither acting in the sense of consumers nor in the interests of European software businesses. The problem in this is case is *you* - the EU commission. You are hindering software innovation made in the EU.You are hindering business opportunities. Most users give a shit about third-party AI or third-party integrations. Customers are interested in devices with maximum privacy. This is what Apple stands for. The ego trip of the EU commission is hilarious. Get over it.
@zopyx @EUCommission
Standard iCloud protection is the default, and under that model Apple keeps the keys for much of the user’s cloud data in its data centers. Apple says this allows it to decrypt data for recovery, restoring backups, and signing in on a new device.
Even with Advanced Data Protection, not everything is fully end-to-end encrypted. Apple explicitly lists iCloud Mail, Contacts, and Calendars as categories that do not use end-to-end encryption, and it says some metadata remains under standard protection with keys stored by Apple.In several categories, more privacy-focused providers such as GrapheneOS, Proton, and Signal go further by making stronger encryption or stricter data isolation part of the product design rather than an optional extra.
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@webjac @EUCommission I think you undermined your argument. If you have to choose between giving people the greatest choice or no choice at all, giving them the greatest choice is going to make the most people happy.
@david @EUCommission I agree, the spirit of the regulation is good. but In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission I just find it amazing how different everyone’s take on this is. Apple says the EU is to blame for Siri AI not launching here, while you guys say it’s entirely Apple’s fault. Let’s be honest, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I also think it’s good that we don’t just rubber-stamp solutions from tech giants like Apple as if there were no risks involved. However, I do wonder: Why didn’t Apple try harder? Apple has been stringing us along since 2024, promising that the AI features would come. In all that time, surely it should have been possible to find a constructive solution for everyone.
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@samueljohnson @EUCommission I just don't want anybody thinking they're defending my interest. I'm an adult, let me defend my interests myself.
@webjac @EUCommission You don't, in a democracy with rule of law, get to decide the laws that apply to you alone.
Actions, like not wearing masks or not getting vaccinated during a pandemic, and uses of some technologies, have consequences for others, not just you.
We have already seen plenty of cases of US abuse of the rights of EU citizens via tech firms and the current US govt would like nothing better than to destroy the EU. Thanks but no thanks.
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@algernon @gklka @EUCommission Nothing is wrong with that. But that’s not what is happening in real life, and the customer gets punished.
@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission Then blame the party who doesn't play by the rules: Apple.
The rules are beneficial. Apple deciding to restrict features instead of playing by the rules is Apple's fault, and theirs only.
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Agreed. I think Apple is just as responsible on this one. And they should offer other models the same functionality. I just don't think that the regulator's job to force them to do so.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @mr_harm @EUCommission Let’s do a test.
You write to Apple (press, legal, mgmt etc) that they should stop being asses about it - assign blame where it belongs.Write to them at least as many times as you have posted here, providing PR for them (free or not, we do not know).
Once that ratio is there, it will feel a little bit more genuine.
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@zopyx @EUCommission
Standard iCloud protection is the default, and under that model Apple keeps the keys for much of the user’s cloud data in its data centers. Apple says this allows it to decrypt data for recovery, restoring backups, and signing in on a new device.
Even with Advanced Data Protection, not everything is fully end-to-end encrypted. Apple explicitly lists iCloud Mail, Contacts, and Calendars as categories that do not use end-to-end encryption, and it says some metadata remains under standard protection with keys stored by Apple.In several categories, more privacy-focused providers such as GrapheneOS, Proton, and Signal go further by making stronger encryption or stricter data isolation part of the product design rather than an optional extra.
@lijepasam @EUCommission good enough for most of the users, many options if you need more,,way ahead compared to Google and Android. what is your point? There is room enough for all players.
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@webjac @EUCommission I'm just trying to understand how you can want more choices but then not want laws to be enforced that require equal choice and access.
I'm not understanding the logic there.
@Javensbukan @EUCommission I think the choices should be left to the market demand. If people demand a product where they want to feel "more protected" they should have that option.
(not that Apple not offering more choices is "protecting" anything much anyway)
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@webjac @Javensbukan @EUCommission And the point is that Apple is removing choice for all users, then stomping the ground and withholding one feature.
If all Apple fanboys would direct anger where it belongs, Apple would stop this silly behaviour sooner, so let’s stop being weirdly antagonistic against EU when they do good things@richlv @Javensbukan @EUCommission But Apple should be allowed to offer their limited product as they want it, and if people don't like they won't buy it. I'm not a fan of the idea of the EU forcing any company to sell something they don’t want to sell
