Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@EUCommission
Normally I am in heated agreement with EU style regulation but I'm not on this.VW only uses VW parts on VW cars. Do consumers have a right to buy a VW car and insist on a Toyota steering wheel? Obviously not.
@traveling_mike @EUCommission Extremely non-comparable segments. One at its baseline, is transportation and the other mostly software.
You can choose between many car brands, but only two operating systems for smartphones - Android or iOS. (Linux is not yet mature and anything else is de-googled OS)
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission if Apple is unable to develop interoperability solutions ... I would not call this "they choose, not to deliver..."
Yes, in theory one could argue that they still could have delivered and violated some regulations.... But that's not really what anybody wants.On the other hand
If Apple choose to not deliver - they were not: "unable to provide" ... -
@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission Why don’t we flip your statement for a second. Apple chooses to enter our European market, we have rules. They do not need to be here, they can just choose to go somewhere else.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
- We also tell car manufacturers that they cannot make products that pollute the air to their own liking.
- We also tell toy manufacturers that they cannot put toxic chemicals in their products.
- We also tell manufacturers of electronic devices that they cannot just slap anything together and not test them
- We also tell producers of medicine that they cannot just put whatever they want in their pills.
Regulation is quite normal - even in the US.
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@EUCommission
Normally I am in heated agreement with EU style regulation but I'm not on this.VW only uses VW parts on VW cars. Do consumers have a right to buy a VW car and insist on a Toyota steering wheel? Obviously not.
Of course I can put a different steering wheel in my car. Apple don't want to let you replace siri ai with the ai of your choice.
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@glitzersachen @xoagray @FrancoisPrague @EUCommission
Hey! You're right!
Atleast, I have the right to carry a firearm and have free-speech to defend myself from fascism>>>
This beats everything. Sorry. Get your rights up, son. I love my country
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🥳@DonJon111 @xoagray @FrancoisPrague @EUCommission
> , son.
Well, I am not your son. At least I hope so, for you. Anybody this old would be well advised to stay away from Internet commenting on politics.
> Atleast, I have the right to carry a firearm
A useful thing when civilization breaks down. More useful for you, then, than for me. You are nearer.
> and have free-speech to defend myself from fascism
Somehow you Americans seem to labor under the impression that you are the only ones in the world having free speech. LOL.
Also, what is it good for, if you are not fighting fascism, then? You take your time ... and it doesn't seem to work.
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Of course I can put a different steering wheel in my car. Apple don't want to let you replace siri ai with the ai of your choice.
@geoffl @EUCommission Good luck getting airbag to work. At the integration layer that Apple is inserting AI it is wise to restrict access to it. Apple's arguments are the correct arguments in this particular conversation.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission „to close“, Not „too close“
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@traveling_mike @EUCommission Extremely non-comparable segments. One at its baseline, is transportation and the other mostly software.
You can choose between many car brands, but only two operating systems for smartphones - Android or iOS. (Linux is not yet mature and anything else is de-googled OS)
The segment doesn't need to be comparable for the point to be accurate. I have a significant expertise in machine learning and software development. Android is a Linux distribution by the way.
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@DonJon111 @xoagray @FrancoisPrague @EUCommission
> , son.
Well, I am not your son. At least I hope so, for you. Anybody this old would be well advised to stay away from Internet commenting on politics.
> Atleast, I have the right to carry a firearm
A useful thing when civilization breaks down. More useful for you, then, than for me. You are nearer.
> and have free-speech to defend myself from fascism
Somehow you Americans seem to labor under the impression that you are the only ones in the world having free speech. LOL.
Also, what is it good for, if you are not fighting fascism, then? You take your time ... and it doesn't seem to work.
@glitzersachen @xoagray @FrancoisPrague @EUCommission
1. It's American slang.2. The right to bear arms is a universal, inalienable right every country in the world should give it's citizens.
3. That's your impression of me. I've seen instances where citizens in the UK and Germany have been punished for certain statements online.
Ultimately, this world is just fucked up. But, I do wonder what part the EU plays in adopting central bank roles related to fascism and propaganda?
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@traveling_mike @EUCommission
I don't understand your argument. Anyone is allowed to fit wheels from any supplier, or battery, or many other parts that are typically supplied as an "add on". There are multiple specialist suppliers of car parts for most major models of car.
The maker of a model (not just cars) are obliged by the EU, to provide a proper spec, then any competent supplier can design their items to fit.
This prevents monopoly overcharging for 'parts' to anything.You're not seeing the forest because of the trees. VW does not have to design a vehicle that will accept a Toyota steering wheel. VW will not sell you a new VW with a non VW steering wheel.
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@Javensbukan @EUCommission That's the problem. In this case the regulation is not needed from my point of view. We can differ on that of course
@webjac @Javensbukan @EUCommission so you love monopolies?
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Apple's endgame is never to comply with the EU Commission, but rather wait for enough people to complain to the EU Commission to change the rules.
That is the endgame.
@LinuxBSD @EUCommission the size of the fines will likely increase significantly before then. The EU can fine apple up to about 10% of annual global TURNOVER for noncompliance with the DMA. They can really make apple hurt.
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@EUCommission You are neither acting in the sense of consumers nor in the interests of European software businesses. The problem in this is case is *you* - the EU commission. You are hindering software innovation made in the EU.You are hindering business opportunities. Most users give a shit about third-party AI or third-party integrations. Customers are interested in devices with maximum privacy. This is what Apple stands for. The ego trip of the EU commission is hilarious. Get over it.
@zopyx @EUCommission they are literally creating business opportunities. That is the whole puprose of the DMA. Please read the laws you criticise.
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The segment doesn't need to be comparable for the point to be accurate. I have a significant expertise in machine learning and software development. Android is a Linux distribution by the way.
@traveling_mike @EUCommission Well it does, because your point is not reasonable. You’re comparing a group of two with another group of hundreds, and these groups are not the same.
Cool profession, I know many just like you. Sure, Android runs on Linux kernel, just like 60-80% of everything else, from servers to printer machines
You know what I meant, the userland. Calling Android a Linux distro is a stretch and you know it.
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@traveling_mike @EUCommission Well it does, because your point is not reasonable. You’re comparing a group of two with another group of hundreds, and these groups are not the same.
Cool profession, I know many just like you. Sure, Android runs on Linux kernel, just like 60-80% of everything else, from servers to printer machines
You know what I meant, the userland. Calling Android a Linux distro is a stretch and you know it.
The group doesn't matter, again you're missing the point. As far as Android being a Linux distribution? The Linux Foundation doesn't agree with you. Google adds a layer to Android for its purposes, but Android is quite usable without that layer.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission Your understanding of "free market" is flawed. A free market can't regulate itself; those who play maliciously and unfairly will almost always dominate the market not because consumers chose it, but because they were forced and manipulated into it.
You want a full feature set? Go complain to Apple about it. What the EU regulation demands could've easily been done by Apple; it is not even more effort, just a slightly different way of doing things. But Apple actively decides against it; they want to monopolize the market.
You can't call a market a free market if its gatekeeped by a few major companies.
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The group doesn't matter, again you're missing the point. As far as Android being a Linux distribution? The Linux Foundation doesn't agree with you. Google adds a layer to Android for its purposes, but Android is quite usable without that layer.
@traveling_mike @EUCommission But it does, because we are discussing whether or not it should be a rule, to be able to choose from more than one option.
I’m pretty sure that the Linux foundation cares for open source infrastructure, and now that Android is planning to make it harder to side-load apps - we need alternatives more than ever.
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@webjac @EUCommission That’s exactly the point, to be able to have the choice to select which AI we get to use on our devices, and if Siri is actually the best and the most privacy focused, people will choose it. This time, Apple is not allowing people to make that choice. They are actively limiting features to a whole region to keep their control over their products, like they have already done with iPhone mirroring, for example.
@Ombligoelemento @webjac @EUCommission probably because they did a risk analysis and concluded that the EU would come after them if they released it. They are responding to the reality of the EU approach and don’t want a fight. Which is probably a sound business decision.
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@glitzersachen @xoagray @FrancoisPrague @EUCommission
1. It's American slang.2. The right to bear arms is a universal, inalienable right every country in the world should give it's citizens.
3. That's your impression of me. I've seen instances where citizens in the UK and Germany have been punished for certain statements online.
Ultimately, this world is just fucked up. But, I do wonder what part the EU plays in adopting central bank roles related to fascism and propaganda?
@DonJon111 @xoagray @FrancoisPrague @EUCommission
> 1. It's American slang.
Condescending slang.
> 2. The right to bear arms is a universal, inalienable right every country in the world should give it's citizens.
Nah, I think we'll pass on this. We are more for the right to arm bears.
> 3. That's your impression of me. I've seen instances where citizens in the UK and Germany have been punished for certain statements online.
This statement, with the visa situation for the World Cup being what it is, cannot avoid being ironic. Unintendedly so, in your case, of course.
