Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission the point is, as said before that the EU not prohibiting Apple to introduce Siri. It is only prohibiting Apple from using unfair competition to not let any other competitor provide the same service.
And apple then chose not to release Siri because they are not able to provide that, blaming the EU for it like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
They still can release it at the same time they provide the API for others to do the same, which they wanted to build over 18 month
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
You're describing regulating, which is what a regulatory body does.
Let the free market decide? Why? Choice? Take search engines. Most people use google. Many would probably not know more than one or two alternatives, let alone have used them. Phones? Same story. Android and iPhone. Both very unregulated sectors.
The regulatory bodies make sure companies follow the law. That's it. In a pure 'free market', companies have no incentives to do that. To me, *that* is scary.
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@webjac @EUCommission the point is, as said before that the EU not prohibiting Apple to introduce Siri. It is only prohibiting Apple from using unfair competition to not let any other competitor provide the same service.
And apple then chose not to release Siri because they are not able to provide that, blaming the EU for it like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
They still can release it at the same time they provide the API for others to do the same, which they wanted to build over 18 month
@webjac @EUCommission therefore granting them a time advance which is crucial for adoption
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@webjac @EUCommission would also say that what apple is doing undermines the free market. without interoperability, companies can themselves restrict the market
it's not only government regulations that can go against free market, the companies themselves can
(this doesn't mean i think the free market is a good idea, btw. i am opposed to capitalism as a whole. but if i were forced to think in a more capitalist way, this is what i would say)@lumi @EUCommission agreed, and they have always done that. The walled garden approach is something they've always done. If the consumers choose it, they have their reasons
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@webjac @EUCommission are you dumb ?
it's their job to protect consumer from those predatory move, so your own post is useless.
@makeithappen5634 @EUCommission I just don't think they should be protecting at this level. A difference of opinion does not make me dumb. No need to get to insult level buddy.
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@webjac
Oh, don't mind me. I'm just here for the ratio...
@McWabbit @EUCommission Oh yes, better to just grab popcorn and see them fight it xD
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@webjac @EUCommission 100% wrong. It is precisely the job of the EU to regulate. Did you miss the point? Apple chose not to introduce the feature in the EU. Not the EU.
Pay attention to the last sentence too.
@samueljohnson @EUCommission I just don't think they should regulate THIS MUCH. I think it's overstepping much.
Also in the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to protect me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
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@Javensbukan @EUCommission That's the problem. In this case the regulation is not needed from my point of view. We can differ on that of course
@webjac @EUCommission Apple chose to give prefential treatment to its own AI product over everyone elses AI products through a product they also *just so happen* to sell - that is almost the textbook definition of unfair competition from a monopolistic point of view and the EU is correct to call it out.
Apple deliberately decided to intentionally made other AI products harder to use on its platform that they control compared to Apple AI.
That is not allowed in the EU, end of story.
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@EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.
As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.
@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka you do see that you ranting about this is the exact reason why apple is doing that: trying to put pressure on an institution they don't like by skewing the facts.
They knew for 4 years what's in the DMA and chose not to comply. It's on them.
By the way: you can also thank the EU for USB C charging on you iPhone. Apple tried to not do that until the EU basically told them to either comply or GTFO the European market
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@webjac @EUCommission Apple chose to give prefential treatment to its own AI product over everyone elses AI products through a product they also *just so happen* to sell - that is almost the textbook definition of unfair competition from a monopolistic point of view and the EU is correct to call it out.
Apple deliberately decided to intentionally made other AI products harder to use on its platform that they control compared to Apple AI.
That is not allowed in the EU, end of story.
@webjac @EUCommission I'm not even *IN* the EU and I can see this.
Take off the Apple coloured glasses
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@makeithappen5634 @EUCommission I just don't think they should be protecting at this level. A difference of opinion does not make me dumb. No need to get to insult level buddy.
@webjac @EUCommission Lol you don't even seem to know what is really free market ... so maybe check why free market is not free when a company force their own product on you.
What EU ask IS free market ... allow any AI to be used ... and the market will decide the best.
So you actually call AGAINST the free market.
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@Ombligoelemento @webjac @EUCommission
they can choose not to buy the luxury apple brand
@rzeta0 @Ombligoelemento @EUCommission yes, exactly, let people vote with their wallets.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission you might choose to be a slave of what you call free market.
As the US legislation gives a shit on privacy, as the cloud act shows, you can trust whoever you want to, but I don’t trust any US American company. -
@phillip @webjac @EUCommission
Phillip
People do not have to buy apple - it is a luxury segment of the market.
@rzeta0 @webjac @EUCommission Not realy any more. Also more and more services depend on apples or googles library's. Some services actually force you to use them. Try to use your bank or public transportation without apple or android. The so called free market is leading to a closed duopoly. So regulation is mandatory.
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@webjac @EUCommission the point is, as said before that the EU not prohibiting Apple to introduce Siri. It is only prohibiting Apple from using unfair competition to not let any other competitor provide the same service.
And apple then chose not to release Siri because they are not able to provide that, blaming the EU for it like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
They still can release it at the same time they provide the API for others to do the same, which they wanted to build over 18 month
Agreed. I think Apple is just as responsible on this one. And they should offer other models the same functionality. I just don't think that the regulator's job to force them to do so.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
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@EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.
As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.
@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Because if the regulations don't apply to Apple, they don't apply to Google either, and then you suddenly don't have an option, should you wish interoperability or replaceable services.
Perhaps more people would use alternative marketplaces on iOS if those weren't an afterthought, implemented to please regulators and then do no more.
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You're describing regulating, which is what a regulatory body does.
Let the free market decide? Why? Choice? Take search engines. Most people use google. Many would probably not know more than one or two alternatives, let alone have used them. Phones? Same story. Android and iPhone. Both very unregulated sectors.
The regulatory bodies make sure companies follow the law. That's it. In a pure 'free market', companies have no incentives to do that. To me, *that* is scary.
@mr_greeb @EUCommission precisely, I don't think they should regulate this much, up to this level.
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@lumi @EUCommission agreed, and they have always done that. The walled garden approach is something they've always done. If the consumers choose it, they have their reasons
@webjac @lumi @EUCommission
And a large reason is that it's not a free market, and thus when people want to escape Google "be evil", Apple is the only real remaining option. -
One more reason for sane US citizens to migrate to Europe:)
or Americans to fucking vote and make the USA more like the EU
but cynicism and perfectionism and just plain laziness
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@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka you do see that you ranting about this is the exact reason why apple is doing that: trying to put pressure on an institution they don't like by skewing the facts.
They knew for 4 years what's in the DMA and chose not to comply. It's on them.
By the way: you can also thank the EU for USB C charging on you iPhone. Apple tried to not do that until the EU basically told them to either comply or GTFO the European market
@mr_harm @EUCommission @gklka I’m not interested in their back-and-forth debate about who did what. Apple is clearly playing its own game, and I’m not defending them. The App Store needs some serious reform due to its practices with developers. However, the DMA is an overcomplicated crap regulating issues that no one asked for.
Regarding USB-C: I like USB-C for now, but are we going to use this for eternity or what?
