Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@webjac @EUCommission but that is the worst approach possible. If you have rules nobody is enforcing we'd end up with customer hostility and rampant capitalism sooner than later.
If there are rules, they have to be enforced for anybody the same way. And apple is a posterboy for trying to push the limit, so they had to be told off eventually. I hope the competitive disadvantage makes them rethink this.
That said I'm not against apple, I use some products myself.
@mr_harm @EUCommission I agree that some markets require regulations, don't get me wrong. I just think in this case it's a little bit overstepping, but we can differ on that.
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@lumi @webjac @EUCommission
And thus we need stronger laws, not weaker.@leeloo @webjac @EUCommission yeah, all walled gardens must be cracked open and everything must be interoperable and independently implementable by anyone, without having to ask any authority
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@algernon @EUCommission @gklka I agree that they are an afterthought because the entire thing was a forced feature that no one asked for.
@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Noone you know.
Case in point, I never considered buying an iPhone primarily because the lack of alternate markets. There were multiple points in time when I would have bought one, if there were.
Yes, I'm not an iPhone user, and likely never will be, but I could have been. I'm not the only one either.
Yes, I'm probably not Apple's target audience. Still: alternative markets are useful. Perhaps not for iPhone users, but for other people (and there are a lot of those!). Regulation is supposed to apply equally to everybody, this, if the EU wants to ensure alternative markets on $X, then they'll have to be available on $Y too, and that includes Apple's iPhone.
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@lumi @leeloo @EUCommission I agree with you there. I think Europe should be promoting more competition and more ethical choices rather than regulating what exists
@webjac @lumi @EUCommission
They are promoting competition, by telling Apple they can't force people to use Internet Explorer.They can't just go out and force people to start new phone manufacturing companies.
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@webjac @EUCommission and I don't think apple wants to protect you. It wants you in their walled garden, protected from others. That's a huge difference
@mr_harm @EUCommission I think they want both of those things.
In the garden you're protected, in the garden you give them all your money. Of course they're self interested
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@rzeta0 @webjac @EUCommission Not realy any more. Also more and more services depend on apples or googles library's. Some services actually force you to use them. Try to use your bank or public transportation without apple or android. The so called free market is leading to a closed duopoly. So regulation is mandatory.
@phillip @webjac @EUCommission
I agree with intelligent regulation.
Security. Privacy. Environmental impact. Etc.
But choice or otherwise of AI software is not the battle to have.
It undermines the efforts to do useful regulation.
If the EU wants to fight for interoperability it should fight Microsoft on document formats - and stop buying Microsoft software itself (which it does, hugely).
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@mr_harm @EUCommission @gklka I’m not interested in their back-and-forth debate about who did what. Apple is clearly playing its own game, and I’m not defending them. The App Store needs some serious reform due to its practices with developers. However, the DMA is an overcomplicated crap regulating issues that no one asked for.
Regarding USB-C: I like USB-C for now, but are we going to use this for eternity or what?
@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka regarding the DMA: that's a completely different discussion. You were not ranting about the DMA though but that you don't have features because of the EU and that is Apple fanboying par excellence.
And USB-C will probably be replaced at some point in the very distant future, so no need to worry about that for now. Micro-USB was the standard for like 15 years so we're safe for now. And the standard for C is evolving independent from the connector
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@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Noone you know.
Case in point, I never considered buying an iPhone primarily because the lack of alternate markets. There were multiple points in time when I would have bought one, if there were.
Yes, I'm not an iPhone user, and likely never will be, but I could have been. I'm not the only one either.
Yes, I'm probably not Apple's target audience. Still: alternative markets are useful. Perhaps not for iPhone users, but for other people (and there are a lot of those!). Regulation is supposed to apply equally to everybody, this, if the EU wants to ensure alternative markets on $X, then they'll have to be available on $Y too, and that includes Apple's iPhone.
@algernon @EUCommission @gklka And it’s awesome that we have a choice to buy what we need or want.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission Thanks for the clear response. Thoughtful, robust rules support innovation, protect competition, and make life better for all of us in the EU.
Extra props for communicating this clearly and unambiguously.
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@Ombligoelemento @webjac @EUCommission
they can choose not to buy the luxury apple brand
@rzeta0 @webjac @EUCommission The issue is it’s not that easy to switch between these walled gardens after people have been going deep for decades, hence politics like these to force opening new features to avoid an even bigger monopoly. It’s ridiculous we could not set a different default browser other than Safari until a couple years ago, or use alternative app stores, isn’t it?
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission I think you undermined your argument. If you have to choose between giving people the greatest choice or no choice at all, giving them the greatest choice is going to make the most people happy.
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@algernon @EUCommission @gklka And it’s awesome that we have a choice to buy what we need or want.
@zsolt @algernon @EUCommission My opinion is that if Apple would play by EU rules then it would be beneficial for every user. Of course since they resist it is a hassle instead. But that’s entirely Apple’s call.
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@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka regarding the DMA: that's a completely different discussion. You were not ranting about the DMA though but that you don't have features because of the EU and that is Apple fanboying par excellence.
And USB-C will probably be replaced at some point in the very distant future, so no need to worry about that for now. Micro-USB was the standard for like 15 years so we're safe for now. And the standard for C is evolving independent from the connector
@mr_harm @EUCommission @gklka Well, Apple users in the EU had access to similar features before the DMA, so it’s likely that some aspects of the DMA need to be reconsidered.
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@mr_greeb @EUCommission precisely, I don't think they should regulate this much, up to this level.
It is literally what they're doing in this case.
Edit, in case it was unclear: Telling Apple they have to follow the law is literally what they did.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission it literally is for the EU to decide. That is what governments do.
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@phillip @webjac @EUCommission
I agree with intelligent regulation.
Security. Privacy. Environmental impact. Etc.
But choice or otherwise of AI software is not the battle to have.
It undermines the efforts to do useful regulation.
If the EU wants to fight for interoperability it should fight Microsoft on document formats - and stop buying Microsoft software itself (which it does, hugely).
@rzeta0 @phillip @webjac @EUCommission It does no undermine anything, and we are adults enough to work on more than a single thing in a decade.
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@Javensbukan @EUCommission Oh don't get me wrong. I think Apple should offer more models. I just don't think they should be forced to do so.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @EUCommission I'm just trying to understand how you can want more choices but then not want laws to be enforced that require equal choice and access.
I'm not understanding the logic there.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission On Mastodon of all places, I did not expect Apple users whining in the comments.
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@Javensbukan @EUCommission Oh don't get me wrong. I think Apple should offer more models. I just don't think they should be forced to do so.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to "protect" me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @Javensbukan @EUCommission And the point is that Apple is removing choice for all users, then stomping the ground and withholding one feature.
If all Apple fanboys would direct anger where it belongs, Apple would stop this silly behaviour sooner, so let’s stop being weirdly antagonistic against EU when they do good things -
Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission no, the reason is that Apple does not want ANY random LLM to be able to scan our phones, the EU and their braindead people deciding on this should get their shit together and simply allow Apple to use what they think is the best. I want SIRI AI and I don't want you to dictate what Apple can or cannot! I hope my country leaves the EU soon, I really hope so!
