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That's absolutely sad to read.

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    gemmy@mastodon.social
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    #4

    @lostgen

    I hope people consider that instead of spreading that article as true without first checking.

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      gemmy@mastodon.social
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      #5

      @lostgen

      That's how disinformation operates:

      Sketchy statements; few sources (or many that are untrustworthy); no proof; several posts from random people. (And Friday evening when the company is closed for any potential comments!).

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        gemmy@mastodon.social
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        #6

        @lostgen

        First: I don't need a reason not to believe those allegations other than that no proof is available;
        second: motive is obvious: Autocracy Inc. wanting to discredit an apparently good VPN.

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          gemmy@mastodon.social
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          #7

          @lostgen

          The history of that newspaper shows links with Autocracy-like parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamman
          Also, it could be simply biased.

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            gemmy@mastodon.social
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            #8

            @lostgen

            If there's no proof, then it's likely wrong.

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            • G gemmy@mastodon.social

              @lostgen

              If there's no proof, then it's likely wrong.

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              lostgen@det.social
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              #9

              @gemmy
              If there is no proof apart from a renown 100y+ old Swedish newspaper you chose to ignore, troll. I'll block you now.

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              • G gemmy@mastodon.social

                @lostgen

                If there's no proof, then it's likely wrong.

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                thejessiekirk@ohai.social
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                #10

                @gemmy There is literally a link from Flamman, a good source. I don't know why you won't accept it but it's important to do so, even if we don't like it. @lostgen

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                • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

                  @gemmy There is literally a link from Flamman, a good source. I don't know why you won't accept it but it's important to do so, even if we don't like it. @lostgen

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                  gemmy@mastodon.social
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                  #11

                  @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                  That's only one source;
                  One I've never heard before;
                  With historic links to Autocracy Inc;
                  And providing no proof.

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                  • G gemmy@mastodon.social

                    @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                    That's only one source;
                    One I've never heard before;
                    With historic links to Autocracy Inc;
                    And providing no proof.

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                    thejessiekirk@ohai.social
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                    #12

                    @gemmy "I've never heard of a newspaper, therefore it is not a valid source"... really? @lostgen

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                    • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

                      That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

                      For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

                      https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

                      #Mullvad

                      pi_r@corneill.esP This user is from outside of this forum
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                      pi_r@corneill.es
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                      #13

                      @lostgen @mtriclot Here is their response :
                      "Hello,

                      Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad.

                      Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with.

                      We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues.

                      This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking.

                      The more people do this, the better a place the world will be.

                      It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't."

                      My response : You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.”
                      This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly.
                      In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write.
                      It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad."

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                      • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

                        @gemmy "I've never heard of a newspaper, therefore it is not a valid source"... really? @lostgen

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                        gemmy@mastodon.social
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                        #14

                        @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                        That's not what I meant. I meant taking into account all these factors, there is nothing that suggests those allegations are actually true.

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                        • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

                          That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

                          For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

                          https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

                          #Mullvad

                          tk@social.apreslanu.itT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          tk@social.apreslanu.it
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                          #15

                          @lostgen @mullvadnet coincidentally, mozilla vpn is mullvad with a skin and a markup.

                          https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/subscription-services/

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                          • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

                            That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

                            For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

                            https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

                            #Mullvad

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                            astro@beige.party
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                            #16

                            @lostgen @mullvadnet

                            well that sucks. i do not use mullvad and now i am glad i don’t .

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                            • pi_r@corneill.esP pi_r@corneill.es

                              @lostgen @mtriclot Here is their response :
                              "Hello,

                              Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad.

                              Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with.

                              We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues.

                              This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking.

                              The more people do this, the better a place the world will be.

                              It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't."

                              My response : You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.”
                              This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly.
                              In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write.
                              It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad."

                              naich@fosstodon.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              naich@fosstodon.org
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                              #17

                              @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot
                              And, of course, everyone has the freedom to use a different VPN. Proton VPN seems pretty good and they have a native Linux client.

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                                @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                                That's not what I meant. I meant taking into account all these factors, there is nothing that suggests those allegations are actually true.

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                                thejessiekirk@ohai.social
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                                #18

                                @gemmy Okay, but first we're talking about your claim that you not having heard of it renders the source invalid before we move onto your other points. Are you going to acknowledge that onu was silly? @lostgen

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                                • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

                                  That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

                                  For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

                                  https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

                                  #Mullvad

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                                  jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.me
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                                  #19

                                  @lostgen @mullvadnet thank you for publishing. It is now clear for me not to continue with mullvad

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                                  • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

                                    @gemmy Okay, but first we're talking about your claim that you not having heard of it renders the source invalid before we move onto your other points. Are you going to acknowledge that onu was silly? @lostgen

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                                    gemmy@mastodon.social
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                                    #20

                                    @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                                    ????

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                                      jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                                      #21

                                      @lostgen @gemmy you can send your mullvad creds to one of us. we're happy to use it.

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                                      • naich@fosstodon.orgN naich@fosstodon.org

                                        @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot
                                        And, of course, everyone has the freedom to use a different VPN. Proton VPN seems pretty good and they have a native Linux client.

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                                        froztbyte@mastodon.social
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                                        #22

                                        @Naich @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot Proton is worse - they frequently misrepresent across a lot of their products and they have snitched on people using their service. And that’s just the bits we know - there’s almost certainly more we don’t know yet

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                                        • jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.meJ jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.me

                                          @lostgen @mullvadnet thank you for publishing. It is now clear for me not to continue with mullvad

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                                          mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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                                          #23

                                          @jenshansen @lostgen

                                          Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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