Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time.

[mensrea@freeradical.zone]

@ralfmaximus @mhoye you can try librewolf for a firefox with most of the noise stripped out

[joho@mastodon.online]

@mhoye Well, then there's:

- Lynx
- w3m
- ELinks
- Browsh

(And Safari, which is using WebKit)

[endlessmason@hachyderm.io]

@mhoye
Also get https://justthebrowser.com/

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@mensrea @ralfmaximus

Real talk here: I was Mozilla's engineering community manager for a decade, I've seen exactly how that sausage gets made, and I'm never going to install Librewolf.

[folix@firefish.fedibikes.de]

@mhoye@cosocial.ca if you don't want to configure anything yourself use @librewolf@chaos.social. It's basically Firefox with sane defaults.

https://librewolf.net/

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@folix

Respectfully: I was Mozilla's engineering community manager for ten years. I know exactly what Librewolf is and how it's made and I will never install it.

[dzwiedziu@mastodon.social]

@brnrd
O think that was the “Weird Paranoid Uncle” mentioned above

@mhoye

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@dzwiedziu @brnrd

The weird paranoid uncle is the Tor Browser. Respectfully, I was Mozilla's engineering community manager for ten years. I know exactly what Librewolf and Waterfox are, I know exactly how they're made and I will never install either of them.

[mensrea@freeradical.zone]

@mhoye do you know of any write ups around the why of that? @ralfmaximus

[folix@firefish.fedibikes.de]

@mhoye@cosocial.ca ok now I'm interested. Any link recommendations where I could read up on the problematic aspects?

And the recommendation wasn't meant for you specifically, but for anyone stumbling upon your post.

[dzwiedziu@mastodon.social]

@mhoye
Was facetious, yet yes, that fits better.

@brnrd

[hyc@mastodon.social]

@mhoye Seamonkey still works...

[iscarlosmolero@raccoonisland.social]

@mhoye Get Waterfox*

[tito_swineflu@sfba.social]

@mhoye I like norwegian chrome. That seems largely unobjectionable. I'd also consider a spinoff norwegian black metal chrome.

[ericcarroll@cosocial.ca]

@mhoye
Well that clarifies it.

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@iscarlosmolero Lol, I was at Mozilla when we had to send the waterfox guy a cease and desist after he copied the entire Mozilla website and only changed the word "fire" to "water". It still listed all the Mozilla leadership, unchanged except for now they were "CEO of waterfox" and so on. I got to congratulate our CTO on his new gig, turns out he didn't think it was funny.

[jwcph@helvede.net]

@mhoye @folix Wow - would you like to share with the rest of the class? Because that sounds like a pretty scary verdict coming from an insider, I for one would certainly like to know the background...

[sab@hostux.social]

Weirdly GNOME Web, which also uses WebKit, has gotten a lot better over the last year or so. I find it strange there are not more WebKit browsers around considering how it has been around forever, has deep roots in open source, and is obviously capable.

That said, at this point I'm pretty much holding my breath for @servo to be daily driver ready.
@joho @mhoye

[cinebox@masto.hackers.town]

@mhoye Safari isn’t chromium-based, it’s WebKit

[mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca]

@mhoye @skyfaller
There's an account for @servo on Mastodon.

#servo