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  3. You probably should not use link shorteners, here's why:

You probably should not use link shorteners, here's why:

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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    You probably should not use link shorteners, here's why:

    - All links on Mastodon count as 23 characters no matter how long they really are. There is no need to shorten links on Mastodon, it won't save you any space.

    - Link shorteners endanger privacy by allowing click tracking, and by hiding what is actually being clicked.

    - Shortener providers will shut down, breaking all their links. e.g. Google's shortened links will all show 404 errors from September: https://chaos.social/@root42/114929876895398208

    #FediTips

    wild1145@mastodonapp.ukW This user is from outside of this forum
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    #7

    @FediTips Absolutely agree, there have been so many issues with link shortneres closing down and making it easy for history to be re-written, the Gardian here in the UK As a prime example - https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/02/never-use-a-url-shortening-service-even-if-you-own-it/

    I've generally found only one or two cases where I genuinely need a link shortner and it's usually with the following conditions:

    1) I own said link shortener and can control the data and how long it stays alive

    2) I need someone else (or a group) to access a URL which would be difficult to type and where I need to provide the information on hard-copy or a presentation and can't for some easy reason send everyone the details.

    3) The useful life of the link is short, generally a day or two at most, no risk of history being re-written because nobody's ever going to need to open the link again.

    I've used it when running technical game-days or training sessions face to face where I can spin up a link and destroy it afterwards but that's about the only useful time...

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    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

      You probably should not use link shorteners, here's why:

      - All links on Mastodon count as 23 characters no matter how long they really are. There is no need to shorten links on Mastodon, it won't save you any space.

      - Link shorteners endanger privacy by allowing click tracking, and by hiding what is actually being clicked.

      - Shortener providers will shut down, breaking all their links. e.g. Google's shortened links will all show 404 errors from September: https://chaos.social/@root42/114929876895398208

      #FediTips

      yazad3@techhub.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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      #8

      @FediTips thank you for the explainer. Interested in knowing how the team decided on the number 23 for all urls of any side shared on mastodon.

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      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

        You probably should not use link shorteners, here's why:

        - All links on Mastodon count as 23 characters no matter how long they really are. There is no need to shorten links on Mastodon, it won't save you any space.

        - Link shorteners endanger privacy by allowing click tracking, and by hiding what is actually being clicked.

        - Shortener providers will shut down, breaking all their links. e.g. Google's shortened links will all show 404 errors from September: https://chaos.social/@root42/114929876895398208

        #FediTips

        lillyherself@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #9

        @FediTips Do links with fewer than 23 chars also count as 23? #JustCurious

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        • lillyherself@mastodon.socialL lillyherself@mastodon.social

          @FediTips Do links with fewer than 23 chars also count as 23? #JustCurious

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          #10

          @LillyHerself

          Yes, all links count as 23.

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            p.s. Just to make this extra clear, by "link shortener" I mean services like bit.ly etc which replace your link with a totally different link via their service.

            I do not mean manually shortening links by removing trackers. It's totally 100% fine to manually shorten links to remove trackers, people should do that, and that's not what I'm posting about.

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            #11

            @FediTips So I noticed that when I share links to mastodon from the iOS share sheet, the tracker (text after the ? If I'm understanding this correctly) indicates that it's coming from activity pub. I'd like to promote the 'Verse, so is that letting web admins know that traffic is coming from here? Any pros/cons?

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            • samvarma@fosstodon.orgS samvarma@fosstodon.org

              @FediTips So I noticed that when I share links to mastodon from the iOS share sheet, the tracker (text after the ? If I'm understanding this correctly) indicates that it's coming from activity pub. I'd like to promote the 'Verse, so is that letting web admins know that traffic is coming from here? Any pros/cons?

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              #12

              @samvarma

              I hadn't noticed trackers like that? When I've tried sharing with iOS it just gives me a plain link?

              However, "ActivityPub" is indeed the technical name for the protocol used by Mastodon and the wider Fediverse.

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              • yazad3@techhub.socialY yazad3@techhub.social

                @FediTips thank you for the explainer. Interested in knowing how the team decided on the number 23 for all urls of any side shared on mastodon.

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                #13

                @yazad3

                It was the number of characters in Twitter's old shortener service. The idea was to match the size but avoid all the privacy and link rot problems.

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                • wild1145@mastodonapp.ukW wild1145@mastodonapp.uk

                  @FediTips Absolutely agree, there have been so many issues with link shortneres closing down and making it easy for history to be re-written, the Gardian here in the UK As a prime example - https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/02/never-use-a-url-shortening-service-even-if-you-own-it/

                  I've generally found only one or two cases where I genuinely need a link shortner and it's usually with the following conditions:

                  1) I own said link shortener and can control the data and how long it stays alive

                  2) I need someone else (or a group) to access a URL which would be difficult to type and where I need to provide the information on hard-copy or a presentation and can't for some easy reason send everyone the details.

                  3) The useful life of the link is short, generally a day or two at most, no risk of history being re-written because nobody's ever going to need to open the link again.

                  I've used it when running technical game-days or training sessions face to face where I can spin up a link and destroy it afterwards but that's about the only useful time...

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                  #14

                  @wild1145

                  Good grief... shame on the Guardian for doing that!

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    @samvarma

                    I hadn't noticed trackers like that? When I've tried sharing with iOS it just gives me a plain link?

                    However, "ActivityPub" is indeed the technical name for the protocol used by Mastodon and the wider Fediverse.

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                    #15

                    @FediTips Not every site does it, but here's what I'm seeing. Wonder if it's flipboard adding that?

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                    • samvarma@fosstodon.orgS samvarma@fosstodon.org

                      @FediTips Not every site does it, but here's what I'm seeing. Wonder if it's flipboard adding that?

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                      #16

                      @samvarma
                      utm_ URL parameters are typically used by Google trackers. I'm pretty sure they're added by the site you're clicking the share button. @FediTips

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                      • samvarma@fosstodon.orgS samvarma@fosstodon.org

                        @FediTips Not every site does it, but here's what I'm seeing. Wonder if it's flipboard adding that?

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                        #17

                        @samvarma

                        Ahhh okay, I thought you meant the other way round (from a Mastodon app to elsewhere).

                        Yeah, a lot of websites do have extensions that let them track where a link is. Especially commercial services.

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                        • ciencia@social.wikidex.netC ciencia@social.wikidex.net

                          @samvarma
                          utm_ URL parameters are typically used by Google trackers. I'm pretty sure they're added by the site you're clicking the share button. @FediTips

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                          #18

                          @ciencia @FediTips Aha. So

                          IF fuck=google
                          THEN remove everything after the ?, even if it says activitypub?

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                          • samvarma@fosstodon.orgS samvarma@fosstodon.org

                            @ciencia @FediTips Aha. So

                            IF fuck=google
                            THEN remove everything after the ?, even if it says activitypub?

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                            #19

                            @samvarma @ciencia

                            It depends on whether you want a data broker to potentially know you found that link on a particular kind of site.

                            If you want maximum privacy, remove ?UTM and everything after it.

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