So, here's my defense plan for Canada.
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So, here's my defense plan for Canada. Basic philosophy: it is unsafe to wait for an attack.
1. Secure public confirmation from NATO that Article 5 applies even if the aggressor is also a NATO member.
2. Send an ultimatum to Washington demanding a public acknowledgement of Canadian sovereignty by the President and confirmation of non-aggression.
3. In the absence of that acknowledgement, sever diplomatic ties, close the borders, and embargo trade. Blow bridges, tear up roads and rail lines.@evan and how should Americans flee if you close the border?
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@fluffykittycat @evan I'd say that the US has had the enemy continuously on our soil since the Civil War, if not since its founding, but I understand your point. Not enough Americans know about events like the Tulsa race massacre, and don't recognize slavers and homegrown fascists as occupying forces.
@skyfaller @fluffykittycat I think with luck and initiative, Canada could take some low population areas with high emotional value deep in US territory, like Yellowstone or Mt. Rushmore. The goal would be to require the attention of the US military to keep the fight over there so we don't have to fight over here. I don't think having to deal with partisans in big cities would be efficient.
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Last note: I am a software developer and standards enthusiast, not a military planner. I hope that PM Carney and his cabinet are having aides develop much, much better plans at this level of seriousness right now. I'm sure theirs will be a lot better than mine.
Oh, one more thing: a common strategy for invaders is to let domestic rebellions happen, and then come in to "protect their rights". Hopefully CSIS and the Mounties can come down hard on any Canadian going on Fox News to invite invaders to come annex our country. It's a valid political position and thought experiment in peacetime; when there is a real possibility of a war, it's treason. Straight to jail! And definitely don't allow any kind of trucker convoy demonstrations in large numbers.
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@evan this is incredibly depressing that people have to think about things like this. I’m so sad my country is doing this to people.
@swacknificent I'm just some yahoo doing armchair general noodling on a Saturday afternoon. I think some smarter people are working in it in Ottawa!
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@evan and how should Americans flee if you close the border?
@Tabby_Schaf I'm sure there are ways to make it work, but there are also 193 other countries on the planet. I'd recommend fleeing to one that your country is not trying to invade.
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@Tabby_Schaf I'm sure there are ways to make it work, but there are also 193 other countries on the planet. I'd recommend fleeing to one that your country is not trying to invade.
@evan but how, since the planes are controlled?
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I think it might work better if you had massive demonstrations telling Americans to wake the fuck up.
@davew I mean, I totally agree. But about 1/4 of the US thinks annexation is a good idea, and another 1/4 are unsure.
Trump, famously, refuses to back down from even the stupidest of ideas. And the government is completely captive to his whim.
I don't think Canadians can count on internal US political resistance to prevent a war.
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@evan @ch0ccyra1n If the US government declares martial law and flights are grounded, there are only two countries that was feasible escape routes.
@brennx0r @ch0ccyra1n I don't know what to tell you. Canada is a real country with almost 40M people in it, not an imaginary safe zone for American dissidents. I think it's imperative for all countries to take in refugees and asylum seekers, but maybe procrastinating until there's a war happening on the border you're trying to cross isn't the best plan.
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@brennx0r @ch0ccyra1n I don't know what to tell you. Canada is a real country with almost 40M people in it, not an imaginary safe zone for American dissidents. I think it's imperative for all countries to take in refugees and asylum seekers, but maybe procrastinating until there's a war happening on the border you're trying to cross isn't the best plan.
@evan @brennx0r @ch0ccyra1n you’re right, but #Canada would be wise to accept all the scientists, engineers, & technicians who are escaping the US.
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So, here's my defense plan for Canada. Basic philosophy: it is unsafe to wait for an attack.
1. Secure public confirmation from NATO that Article 5 applies even if the aggressor is also a NATO member.
2. Send an ultimatum to Washington demanding a public acknowledgement of Canadian sovereignty by the President and confirmation of non-aggression.
3. In the absence of that acknowledgement, sever diplomatic ties, close the borders, and embargo trade. Blow bridges, tear up roads and rail lines.Start by Putting up a chainlink and barbed wire fence at the border with a second steel wire and steel post barrier 50 meters back as a buffer, might sound harsh but it will be necessary at some point.
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So, here's my defense plan for Canada. Basic philosophy: it is unsafe to wait for an attack.
1. Secure public confirmation from NATO that Article 5 applies even if the aggressor is also a NATO member.
2. Send an ultimatum to Washington demanding a public acknowledgement of Canadian sovereignty by the President and confirmation of non-aggression.
3. In the absence of that acknowledgement, sever diplomatic ties, close the borders, and embargo trade. Blow bridges, tear up roads and rail lines.TBH I wish a Senate committee would haul their recently-promoted colleague Marco Rubio in to enter that public acknowledgement of Canadian sovereignty into the Congressional Record.under oath.
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@evan @brennx0r @ch0ccyra1n you’re right, but #Canada would be wise to accept all the scientists, engineers, & technicians who are escaping the US.
@Breedlov @brennx0r @ch0ccyra1n agreed. And obviously I am not in charge of Canada's defense. I don't know how a country defending against an invasion keeps a corridor open for refugees and asylum seekers from that same invading country. Maybe it's possible, I dunno.
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TBH I wish a Senate committee would haul their recently-promoted colleague Marco Rubio in to enter that public acknowledgement of Canadian sovereignty into the Congressional Record.under oath.
@AlgoCompSynth that would be good.
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@evan but how, since the planes are controlled?
@Tabby_Schaf I honestly don't know. Where do Russian dissidents go? I am pretty sure they don't try to cross the front lines into Ukraine.
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@Tabby_Schaf I'm sure there are ways to make it work, but there are also 193 other countries on the planet. I'd recommend fleeing to one that your country is not trying to invade.
@evan @Tabby_Schaf As someone who would love to move to Canada (but can't right now due to family), I'm with you on this. If the US did invade Canada, it would be absolutely foolish for Americans to try to escape there - only to potentially be recaptured. A better plan is to stay put and sabotage/fight the fascists, or escape to a different country.
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Start by Putting up a chainlink and barbed wire fence at the border with a second steel wire and steel post barrier 50 meters back as a buffer, might sound harsh but it will be necessary at some point.
@oscarfalcon does that really help with tanks?
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@oscarfalcon does that really help with tanks?
It does not but it gets a very special message across to the would-be oppressors: "don't fuck with us", this is protected land...
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It does not but it gets a very special message across to the would-be oppressors: "don't fuck with us", this is protected land...
@oscarfalcon Good point!
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I would like to think that if we tried to invade Canada, the northern states would rebel against the federal government and/or most of our troops would refuse to obey those orders.
I am, unfortunately, not as sure of this outcome as I would’ve been just a few years ago.
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Oh, one more thing: a common strategy for invaders is to let domestic rebellions happen, and then come in to "protect their rights". Hopefully CSIS and the Mounties can come down hard on any Canadian going on Fox News to invite invaders to come annex our country. It's a valid political position and thought experiment in peacetime; when there is a real possibility of a war, it's treason. Straight to jail! And definitely don't allow any kind of trucker convoy demonstrations in large numbers.
One more, more thing: China.
One temptation would be to get military support and other aid from China. It's a huge economy, would benefit from our economic resources, and has massive military resources.
I think this might backfire badly. It would go from a war of choice for the Americans to a war of survival. They would probably fight more desperately than if it was just Canadians and their European allies.
