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Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere.

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  • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

    Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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    #5

    @kottke #GoodNews

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    • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

      Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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      #6

      @kottke only 10 years, not perpetually!

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      • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

        Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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        #7

        @kottke Should be 9 billion. These guys have gross profit of 20bn/year. 99m is half a percent of a year of profits. 10-year? Should be forever.

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        • kkarhan@jorts.horseK kkarhan@jorts.horse

          @kottke only 10 years, not perpetually!

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          #8

          @kkarhan @kottke yeah, i thought they were violating gpl. didnt know this license only lasts for 10 years

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          • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

            Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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            #9

            @kottke The good news here, if you are not a farmer: a whole bunch of lawyers are now sharpening their fangs and looking around to see who they can sue next.

            Apple please. Or maybe the printer manufacturers? Or... hey we have LOTS of lawyers. Sue them all!

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            • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

              Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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              #10

              @kottke for those who aren't at all close to farming, John Deere's anti-repair practices have actually inflated the value of antique tractors to the point where many smaller farms rely exclusively on tractors and equipment from the 50s and 60s because it's equipment they can actually fix themselves or call out someone local to fix instead of waiting days or weeks for a "certified" mechanic to drive out from hundreds of miles away, thereby potentially delaying extremely time-sensitive processes like planting or harvesting (where even delaying by a day can be make or break for the year's profitability!)

              Choosing to use less efficient pre-computer farm equipment has been far more of a risk management choice than a financial or sentimental one for many farmers for quite some time now

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              • softspeak@defcon.socialS softspeak@defcon.social

                @kottke

                And just like that new local jobs were created, tractor and farm equipment repair mechanics enter the job market.

                The wealthy will have to lose a little wealth and pound dirt.

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                #11

                @softspeak @kottke I highly doubt that. If you could work on these things you already were. It’s complicated work that’s physically demanding and it requires expensive specialized equipment. This allows a Case IH dealer to fix a Deere and not pay a one time license fee which would get passed on. It may lead to less individual shops because they rely on repairing out of date equipment and this makes it worthwhile to upgrade.

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                • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                  Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                  #12

                  @kottke

                  ukraine had a nice underground economy selling firmware to american farmers that allowed them to hack their tractors

                  this was before the stupid ukraine war

                  it's one of the things that made me think, combined with the fact ukraine was the technological heart of the old soviet union, that russia had made a colossal mistake

                  ukrainian ingenuity is not something to be trifled with

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                  • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                    Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                    #13

                    @kottke get those tools and black box / reverse engineer / open source them ASAP. As soon as the 10 years is up they are going to disappear and it will be another multi year battle to get access.

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @kottke

                      ukraine had a nice underground economy selling firmware to american farmers that allowed them to hack their tractors

                      this was before the stupid ukraine war

                      it's one of the things that made me think, combined with the fact ukraine was the technological heart of the old soviet union, that russia had made a colossal mistake

                      ukrainian ingenuity is not something to be trifled with

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                      #14

                      @benroyce @kottke
                      Even since the days of the Russian Empire, Ukraine has been the agricultural heartland of the region. Hell, even the colors their flag represent blue skies and wheat fields. They know a thing or three about farming.

                      Combining the two - early in the war, I remember reading stories about Ukrainians repurposing captured Russian vehicles for agricultural work. I still get a kick out of that.

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                      • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                        Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                        #15

                        @kottke
                        This is not the victory we are looking for. We must keep pounding companies like this.

                        A) 99m into a "fund" is pathetic peanuts for these billionaires. It is a rounding error on the money this abusive crap earns them world wide.

                        B) The good behavior ends in 10 years and is limited scope

                        C) It has no effect on their monopoly status, bolstering sales actually.

                        D) They walk away with "no wrong doing" on the court record.

                        It resembles a bribe to the plaintiffs to STFU. 🤔

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                        • jargoggles@kolektiva.socialJ jargoggles@kolektiva.social

                          @benroyce @kottke
                          Even since the days of the Russian Empire, Ukraine has been the agricultural heartland of the region. Hell, even the colors their flag represent blue skies and wheat fields. They know a thing or three about farming.

                          Combining the two - early in the war, I remember reading stories about Ukrainians repurposing captured Russian vehicles for agricultural work. I still get a kick out of that.

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                          #16

                          @jargoggles @kottke

                          yup

                          video of ukrainian farmers towing away or driving away russian tanks was an early feature of the war

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                          • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                            Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                            #17

                            @kottke I can't imagine a multi-national company loosing a fight like this and throwing in the towel. I wonder what leverage the tractor owners used to get Deere to give up the fight.

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                            • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                              Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                              #18

                              @kottke Maybe farmers should stop voting for the conservatives who keep allowing companies to do whatever they want. Imagine not having to sue in the first place, only to get back "somewhere between 26% and 53% of overcharge damages".

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                              • kkarhan@jorts.horseK kkarhan@jorts.horse

                                @kottke only 10 years, not perpetually!

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                                #19

                                @kkarhan @kottke also no ruling, just a settlement.

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                                • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                                  @kkarhan @kottke also no ruling, just a settlement.

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                                  #20

                                  @claudius @kottke yeah, that is the problem…

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                                  • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                                    Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                                    #21

                                    @kottke
                                    Great news!

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                                    • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                                      Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                                      #22

                                      @kottke

                                      This is hugely important. Their model was the oligarchs' fever dream.

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                                      • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                                        Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                                        #23

                                        @kottke John Deere needs to start making an electric tractor so farmers aren’t dependent on diesel.

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                                        • kottke@mastodon.socialK kottke@mastodon.social

                                          Farmers won their right-to-repair fight against John Deere. The settlement includes a 10-year “agreement by Deere to provide ‘the digital tools ​required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair’ of tractors, combines, and other machinery”. https://www.thedrive.com/news/john-deere-to-pay-99-million-in-monumental-right-to-repair-settlement

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                                          #24

                                          @kottke 10 years is absolutly nothing, but at least is an start!

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