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  3. Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England.

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  • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

    @LaChasseuse problem is the politicians are puppets of the civil service and the rich. Labour promised a lot and have delivered the opposite.

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    #37

    @EF @LaChasseuse

    The civil service aren't puppet-masters, they're administrators and workers who try to implement whatever policy, good or bad, the government dictates. They will advise about difficulties, but they are definitely not calling the shots; their advice is frequently ignored.

    You can choose politicians who aren't puppets of the rich; that's the point of voting. Most people may not see that choice clearly, but that's the point of campaigning. Hence the video.

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    • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

      Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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      #38

      @LaChasseuse that gave me goosebumps. I've watched it about a dozen times and it still gives me goosebumps

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      • darkpixel@infosec.exchangeD darkpixel@infosec.exchange

        @LaChasseuse This is amazing! A+ efforts for running and memorizing speech, at that. How does he do it?

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        #39

        @darkpixel @LaChasseuse Multiple takes, edited together.

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        • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

          Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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          #40

          @LaChasseuse are UK Greens actually lefties or just right wing capitalists with a modicum decency as a veneer on top?

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          • phf@mastodon.deP phf@mastodon.de

            @LaChasseuse It's a great ad, and a well-argued point, but the problem is that many parties already run on this and none of them do anything but stuff more money into the 1%. We had a supposedly "progressive" government for four years in Germany. Not a green one, yes, but one where the social-democratic party who also always runs on "small people, workers, unions, economic justice" stuff was the biggest part, and it was just more shafting for workers. Now under a conservative government that AGAIN has the social-democratic party in it (as the junior partner this time) it's of course more shafting (and berating people, endlessly). The real problem is that people who would actually change things are not available for election. They don't get to run. The apparatus of the parties filters them out, because all parties, regardless of what their programs say, know that once they come into government, they will be told the same old thing: "Look, we're glad you're here, but if we don't like your policies we'll take so much capital out of your economy that it will collapse. So watch it!" And there we go again.

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            #41

            @phf @LaChasseuse the reality is, the people want change without an actual change. The gender debate is a good example. All the conservatives, old people, youngsters, all have the wish to have a good community that helps each other, is kind, respectful, etc. But when it is about to give members of this community some more desired visibility the people are not willing to just spell something different. I don't want to open this debate but abstracting the principal makes my point.

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            • petealexharris@mastodon.scotP petealexharris@mastodon.scot

              @EF @LaChasseuse

              The civil service aren't puppet-masters, they're administrators and workers who try to implement whatever policy, good or bad, the government dictates. They will advise about difficulties, but they are definitely not calling the shots; their advice is frequently ignored.

              You can choose politicians who aren't puppets of the rich; that's the point of voting. Most people may not see that choice clearly, but that's the point of campaigning. Hence the video.

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              #42

              @petealexharris @EF @LaChasseuse Also, as someone who worked in and around politics before jumping to the grassroots side of things?

              A thing people weirdly forget about politicians is that they're human beings with subjectivities, blind spots, and just personal limits. They flinch, they sometimes panic, they take shortcuts, they have really normal, run-of-the-mill human failure modes. It's really less frequent that someone is a puppet to a sinister master, and much more common that they're not playing to their strengths on something and bottled it.

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              • petealexharris@mastodon.scotP petealexharris@mastodon.scot

                @EF @LaChasseuse

                The civil service aren't puppet-masters, they're administrators and workers who try to implement whatever policy, good or bad, the government dictates. They will advise about difficulties, but they are definitely not calling the shots; their advice is frequently ignored.

                You can choose politicians who aren't puppets of the rich; that's the point of voting. Most people may not see that choice clearly, but that's the point of campaigning. Hence the video.

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                #43

                @petealexharris @LaChasseuse in the past, yes. Now, it appears the tables have turned and Labour are currently devolving more power to the civil service.

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                • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                  @megatronicthronbanks @LaChasseuse perhaps not BREXIT as sold but BREXIT as 'negotiated' by those who were anti it for sure.

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                  #44

                  @LaChasseuse @EF @megatronicthronbanks nah it was entirely stupid.

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                  • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                    Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                    #45

                    @LaChasseuse
                    Strong indeed. Most Dutch left/green parties could learn a thing or two from this video.

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                    • mojala@mastodon.onlineM mojala@mastodon.online

                      @LaChasseuse are UK Greens actually lefties or just right wing capitalists with a modicum decency as a veneer on top?

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                      #46

                      @mojala @LaChasseuse a real mix. Polanski is proposing a strong socialist agenda. Historically a lot of Greens at local level have, in my experience, essentially been traditional conservatives who like nature and don’t like change. They’ve tended to oppose any development of anything, especially renewables. The party has lacked a coherent set of policies or at least folk could pick and choose because they were never going to make headway nationally. Under Polanski this is changing dramatically.

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                      • wifiwits@infosec.exchangeW wifiwits@infosec.exchange

                        @mojala @LaChasseuse a real mix. Polanski is proposing a strong socialist agenda. Historically a lot of Greens at local level have, in my experience, essentially been traditional conservatives who like nature and don’t like change. They’ve tended to oppose any development of anything, especially renewables. The party has lacked a coherent set of policies or at least folk could pick and choose because they were never going to make headway nationally. Under Polanski this is changing dramatically.

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                        #47

                        @Wifiwits @LaChasseuse well, more power to them and let's hope they'll succeed in bringing in some steps towards a better UK - it'd be really great if there were at least some examples of things getting better instead of worse.

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                        • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                          @petealexharris @LaChasseuse in the past, yes. Now, it appears the tables have turned and Labour are currently devolving more power to the civil service.

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                          #48

                          @EF @LaChasseuse
                          I know people who work in the civil service, and all I can say is that is not what's happening as far as they can tell.

                          But even if it was, instead of Labour you could vote for a party with progressive policy goals, who would have the civil service implement them, just as previous governments have done with disastrously regressive policies.

                          I don't think anyone praising this video is planning to vote Labour.

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                          • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                            Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                            #49

                            @LaChasseuse this message would resonate in Australia. #auspol

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                            • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                              Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                              @LaChasseuse@mastodon.scot Better not *running* this message, but walk it ツ

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                              • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                                Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                                #51

                                @LaChasseuse 💚

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                                • petealexharris@mastodon.scotP petealexharris@mastodon.scot

                                  @EF @LaChasseuse
                                  I know people who work in the civil service, and all I can say is that is not what's happening as far as they can tell.

                                  But even if it was, instead of Labour you could vote for a party with progressive policy goals, who would have the civil service implement them, just as previous governments have done with disastrously regressive policies.

                                  I don't think anyone praising this video is planning to vote Labour.

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                                  #52

                                  @petealexharris @LaChasseuse am watching my industry get ripped apart by the DfT and the politicans spouting rhetoric claiming the inverse of reality and legislating on those statements. Many many people in the civil service are no doubt trying to make a positive difference but there are some forcing direction for "reasons" that are not always [sic] in the population's best interests.

                                  For the record, I did not and will not vote red or blue.

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                                  • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                                    Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                                    #53

                                    @LaChasseuse Hello Englands Green Party. I have a request.

                                    Swedens Green Party kind of fell asleep during math class (a bit over a decade ago). Would it be alright if they copied your notes?

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                                    • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                                      Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                                      #54

                                      @LaChasseuse It seems, that those things are going wrong in every country! Not only here in Germany...
                                      And those super rich still haven't enough money? That's ridiculous!

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                                      • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                                        Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                                        #55

                                        @LaChasseuse That's how to do it! More like this please! Plus a little more on how to make hope normal again. Time to acknowledge that #neoliberalism is toxic for everyone aside from those who already have more money than they need.

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                                        • lachasseuse@mastodon.scotL lachasseuse@mastodon.scot

                                          Quite a phenomenal campaign ad from the Greens down in England. Strong. I firmly believe that any political party not running this same message will fail.

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                                          #56

                                          @LaChasseuse If

                                          Farage is to Trump what Polanski is to Mamdani?

                                          👍👍👍👍

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