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  3. TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive.

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  • jamesmarshall@sfba.socialJ jamesmarshall@sfba.social

    @leaverou wait, birds are tetrachromatic? Cool!

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    #41

    @jamesmarshall @leaverou

    i think you already know, but if not:

    there are human tetratchromats, they are rare

    all women

    because women get two copies of genes related to vision which are on the sex chromosomes: XX, while men get one copy: XY. so only women can get one normal gene, and one with a mutation that shifts one of the three cones, thus giving them tetrachromacy

    normal people can see 1-10 million colors, such rare women can see 100 million or more

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision

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    • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

      TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

      Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

      Some colors just require different eyes.

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      #42

      @leaverou

      It’s much easier to see with Starlings but the light has to be right.

      I have a bunch of shots like this one that shows the iridescent nature of the starlings fairly clearly. Obviously it would be much more dramatic if the camera could detect further into the IR and UV but this is unmodified out of a Nikon D5300 and is how I remember it looked to my eye.

      I’ve never noticed this with crows or ravens around here but it’s common to see that flash of weird blue and green on magpies.

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      • jamesmarshall@sfba.socialJ jamesmarshall@sfba.social

        @leaverou wait, birds are tetrachromatic? Cool!

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        #43

        @jamesmarshall @leaverou Birds are tetrachromatic because their ancestors were larger carnivorous dinosaurs, they didn't lose their colour receptors because they were generally diurnal creatures. Mammals are mostly bichromatic (aside from a few exceptions like apes) because our ancestors were small burrowing creatures that couldn't go out during the day with all the big bird ancestors, so they only came out at night, as such our ancestors lost a large chunk of their unused colour vision.

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        • petitmote@toot.aquilenet.frP petitmote@toot.aquilenet.fr

          @marymessall @leaverou yes, thank you, I think it's about that. I'd enjoy a source to better understand all of this, and yes, ideally compare the colors curve of the bird with the human vision.

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          #44

          @petitmote @leaverou

          This page is a pretty decent explainer for human color vision... I'm afraid I don't have a link about birds. Maybe someone else will!

          https://colourliteracy.org/seeing-colours

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @jamesmarshall @leaverou

            i think you already know, but if not:

            there are human tetratchromats, they are rare

            all women

            because women get two copies of genes related to vision which are on the sex chromosomes: XX, while men get one copy: XY. so only women can get one normal gene, and one with a mutation that shifts one of the three cones, thus giving them tetrachromacy

            normal people can see 1-10 million colors, such rare women can see 100 million or more

            https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision

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            #45

            @benroyce @jamesmarshall @leaverou

            So, they see 10x the color data, they see it _without_ added tech, and why do I have a suspicion that they still get labeled as "inferior".

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              #46

              @jamesmarshall @benroyce @leaverou I looked it up. Cool!

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              • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                Some colors just require different eyes.

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                #47

                @leaverou I wonder if this applied to dinosaur perception of dinosaur feathers...

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                • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                  TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                  Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                  Some colors just require different eyes.

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                  #48

                  @leaverou more of this content pls

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                  • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                    TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                    Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                    Some colors just require different eyes.

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                    #49

                    @leaverou @maudenificent the other thing that looks more interesting when you assign visible colours to invisible wavelengths – the universe as seen by radio telescopes.

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @jamesmarshall @leaverou

                      i think you already know, but if not:

                      there are human tetratchromats, they are rare

                      all women

                      because women get two copies of genes related to vision which are on the sex chromosomes: XX, while men get one copy: XY. so only women can get one normal gene, and one with a mutation that shifts one of the three cones, thus giving them tetrachromacy

                      normal people can see 1-10 million colors, such rare women can see 100 million or more

                      https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140905-the-women-with-super-human-vision

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                      #50

                      @benroyce I don’t like the word “superhuman” in the title. She is a human, isn’t she?

                      @jamesmarshall @leaverou

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                      • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                        TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                        Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                        Some colors just require different eyes.

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                        #51

                        @leaverou The same applies to people. Don't deny your richness just because you're not understood for the time being.

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                        • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                          TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                          Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                          Some colors just require different eyes.

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                          #52

                          @leaverou Yup. And we explain to ourselves that the females are usually drab brown because we are a ridiculous species of ape who have conditioned ourselves to view female as inferior, but to birds, that drab brown contains multitudes of colors that just confuse our eyes. If anything they are more brilliant.

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