We strongly oppose the Unified Attestation initiative and call for app developers supporting privacy, security and freedom on mobile to avoid it.
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@GrapheneOS Ich hätte gerne mal Quellen, wo andere Custom-Rom negativ über GrapheneOS schreiben. Bislang lese ich nur, was ihr über andere Betriebsysteme wie Volla, murena, lineageos Negatives schreibt.
@MrGR Daran bin ich auch interessiert. @GrapheneOS
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There's no legitimate purpose for either Play Integrity or Unified Attestation to exist. Both will inherently fail to uphold even basic security standards since otherwise their own products wouldn't be allowed. Root-based attestation is also inherently not a secure approach.
@GrapheneOS I would like to say Thank You! GrapheneOS devs for giving us the best Privacy and Security on a phone and also a LOT of Peace of Mind for the privacy concious people.
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Play Integrity API should be regulated out of existence rather than making another system where companies permit their own products while disallowing others. It shouldn't be legal when Google does it and it shouldn't be legal when Volla and Murena do it either. This is wrong.
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Murena and iodé are extremely hostile towards GrapheneOS. They've spent years misleading people about it with inaccurate claims to promote their insecure products. We'll never work with them. Volla, Murena and iodé should have no say in which OS people can use on their devices.
@GrapheneOS seeing frequent hostility and drama come out of this account makes me want to switch off of GOS, despite really liking it. It makes me feel uncertain about the sustainability of the project and the character of people behind it. Hopefully the constant drama I am seeing doesn't represent the overall culture of the project. If not, please get someone else to manage the socials!
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@GrapheneOS I would like to say Thank You! GrapheneOS devs for giving us the best Privacy and Security on a phone and also a LOT of Peace of Mind for the privacy concious people.
Also been using it for a month now and I pretty much like it even if I had to get a Pixel for it, it was worth it!@GrapheneOS Also I really hope that Android won't have the same fate as iOS, otherwise our only open-source option remaining is Linux.
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@neogoth es scheint hier um interne Grabenkämpfe und persönliche Beleidigungen zu handeln. Wie schade! Es gibt doch wichtigeres zu tun, Menschen Alternativen zu #bigtech anbieten und sie zu überzeugen. @GrapheneOS
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We strongly oppose the Unified Attestation initiative and call for app developers supporting privacy, security and freedom on mobile to avoid it. Companies selling phones should not be deciding which operating systems people are allowed to use for apps.
@GrapheneOS kind reminder that you supported from the beginning Goolag-backed vendor-lockin in pro of security.
This is just the final extension of it.
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> we built The European torment nexus, as we don't require the orphan crushing machine to be included in our torment nexus.@Moepmoep @GrapheneOS @eskuero we only crush non-orphans, yes
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Volla, Murena and iodé sell products with atrocious security. They fail to provide important patches and protections while misleading users with inaccurate claims about privacy and security. That includes setting an inaccurate Android security patch level despite missing patches.
@GrapheneOS @volla These type of divisive debates weaken the community and are the biggest gift to Google & Big Tech. We don't need fighting among the community. On the contrary, let's put the effort in building a large and diverse free/libre ecosystem in mobile computing.
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@GrapheneOS aber dann würde es ja ausreichen, wenn ihr diese Falschinformationen über euer eigenes Betriebssystem berichtigt. Statt dessen kritisiert ihr hier pausenlos andere Betriebssysteme. Ich halte eure Öffentlichkeitsarbeit für fatal, so sehr ich GraphenOS schätze und bereits seit Jahren nutze.
@MrGR We post factual information about the falsely marketed products from companies attacking GrapheneOS in response to their attacks. You're misrepresenting the situation and what we said. It's the opposite of supporting a project you use which is provided to you entirely for free.
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@GrapheneOS Ich verstehe euren Krieg gegen andere Custom-ROMs nicht. Eure eigentlichen Gegner sind doch die proprietären Betriebssysteme von Apple und Google, nicht andere Betriebssysteme, die von einer ganz kleinen Minderheit genutzt werden.
@MrGR They've waged a war against GrapheneOS and our team for years. No amount of misrepresentations from you about the situation and what we've said/done is going to change reality. The real enemies of GrapheneOS are the people trying to harm GrapheneOS and our team. Apple has done nothing to try to harm GrapheneOS. Apple makes products with substance behind their privacy and security claims. We wish Apple didn't have such an aversion to giving credit to others but it's not an attack on us.
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@MrGR Daran bin ich auch interessiert. @GrapheneOS
@bastian @MrGR We have many threads on this platform responding to attacks from these groups with links. If you want a particularly awful example, here's one of many cases where the founder and CEO of /e/ and Murena linked to harassment content targeting our founder. He has repeatedly spread fabricated stories and harassment content including from Kiwi Farms. In this case he linked a neo-nazi conspiracy site peddling the usual Kiwi Farms content.
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@bastian @MrGR We have many threads on this platform responding to attacks from these groups with links. If you want a particularly awful example, here's one of many cases where the founder and CEO of /e/ and Murena linked to harassment content targeting our founder. He has repeatedly spread fabricated stories and harassment content including from Kiwi Farms. In this case he linked a neo-nazi conspiracy site peddling the usual Kiwi Farms content.
@bastian It's not clear why Volla and LineageOS are being brought up by @MrGR. Both Murena and iodé have both been heavily attacking GrapheneOS and our team with false claims, not Volla and LineageOS.
Unified Attestation is itself a form of attack on GrapheneOS and any other operating system that's not part of it. We posted a thread responding to that because it's going to have negative consequences for GrapheneOS users just as the Play Integrity API banning GrapheneOS already does today.
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@neogoth es scheint hier um interne Grabenkämpfe und persönliche Beleidigungen zu handeln. Wie schade! Es gibt doch wichtigeres zu tun, Menschen Alternativen zu #bigtech anbieten und sie zu überzeugen. @GrapheneOS
@MrGR @neogoth There haven't been any internal power struggles and people engaging in years of extreme harassment and libel towards our founder and other team members is not simply personal insults. You're repeatedly misrepresenting what's happening and downplaying it. If you're not going to do basic research into what's happening and has been happening in the past then you're not in a position to leave any informed responses or advice. You're taking away from GrapheneOS development right now.
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@GrapheneOS Also I really hope that Android won't have the same fate as iOS, otherwise our only open-source option remaining is Linux.
@privacyfriendly Android Open Source Project and GrapheneOS are Linux. AOSP is open source and has a massive ecosystem built on the open source code. There are many stakeholders interested in continuing it. It would be a very messy situation if the original upstream stopped existing but it's entirely possible for development on it as an open source project to continue. It hopefully won't come to that. Ideally Android will be forcibly split from Google into a company friendlier to open source.
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@GrapheneOS kind reminder that you supported from the beginning Goolag-backed vendor-lockin in pro of security.
This is just the final extension of it.
@echedellelr No, we've never supported apps banning using operating systems. We've always been against the Play Integrity API. We support a neutral implementation of hardware-based attestation which isn't designed for blocking competing hardware and operating systems. We support regulations which forbid apps from banning alternative hardware and operating systems. We've been in active contact with multiple EU Commission groups over the years pushing for this and also regulators elsewhere.
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@bastian @MrGR We have many threads on this platform responding to attacks from these groups with links. If you want a particularly awful example, here's one of many cases where the founder and CEO of /e/ and Murena linked to harassment content targeting our founder. He has repeatedly spread fabricated stories and harassment content including from Kiwi Farms. In this case he linked a neo-nazi conspiracy site peddling the usual Kiwi Farms content.
@GrapheneOS @bastian Es handelt sich um Links, die offensichtlich gar nicht mehr online sind. Du teilst Links aus dem Webarchiv. Gael (Begründer von /e/os/) mag auch mitschuldig sein, aber ich glaube, ihr habt wirklich wichtigeres zu tun, als euch mit Gael zu streiten. Euer Streit interessiert niemand, der sich für Custom ROM interessiert! Kümmert euch um euer eigenes Projekt und treibt es voran. Ich wünsche euch viel Erfolg bei eurer Zusammenarbeit mit Motorola. DAS interessiert uns!
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@privacyfriendly Android Open Source Project and GrapheneOS are Linux. AOSP is open source and has a massive ecosystem built on the open source code. There are many stakeholders interested in continuing it. It would be a very messy situation if the original upstream stopped existing but it's entirely possible for development on it as an open source project to continue. It hopefully won't come to that. Ideally Android will be forcibly split from Google into a company friendlier to open source.
@GrapheneOS OK, I understand it a bit better now. Thanks for the explanation! Let's HOPE For The BEST!
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@GrapheneOS @volla These type of divisive debates weaken the community and are the biggest gift to Google & Big Tech. We don't need fighting among the community. On the contrary, let's put the effort in building a large and diverse free/libre ecosystem in mobile computing.
@meanmicio @volla We aren't part of a shared community and we're not on the same side. Volla, Murena and iodé trying to put themselves in the position of being the ones choosing which operating systems people are allowed to run on their devices is wrong. It's not a solution to the Play Integrity API but rather a new problem we'll be fighting against too. We aren't going to allow either Google or Volla to erode app compatibility with GrapheneOS without facing opposition and consequences.
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