Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.
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@StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.
@markdevries @StefanAlvemo I'm betting someone will veto that
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@StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.
@markdevries @StefanAlvemo I am sure that the very existence of vetos blocks their removal
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@StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.
Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.
@jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna "behaves against a particular national interest" Oh no, not the particular national interest...
It's against the particular interest of my lungs and of the health of thousands of Europeans killed every year by coal pollution emanating from Germany and Poland to continue to burn coal. Poland and Hungary decided that vetoing legislation against it was their supreme national interest and my lungs were a sacrifice they were willing to make. Fuck national interest. -
@StefanAlvemo this is not about boosting but about contacting your MEP representative
@ly2en @StefanAlvemo Why your MEP? What can your MEP do about it?
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@StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.
@wlonk @StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano Someone wrote a whole book about why it was a shit idea 240 years ago, it's not like we lack hindsight.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
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@jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna "behaves against a particular national interest" Oh no, not the particular national interest...
It's against the particular interest of my lungs and of the health of thousands of Europeans killed every year by coal pollution emanating from Germany and Poland to continue to burn coal. Poland and Hungary decided that vetoing legislation against it was their supreme national interest and my lungs were a sacrifice they were willing to make. Fuck national interest.@Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments. That's why there are areas in which countries can veto legislation and/or decisions.
Some countries don't want mass immigration from African countries, some countries don't want chat control, some don't prefer a more socialist state, some prefer a more free state and self-responsibility for their citizens. The citizens should decide, and the government voted in should have the powers to fulfill those wishes.
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@Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments. That's why there are areas in which countries can veto legislation and/or decisions.
Some countries don't want mass immigration from African countries, some countries don't want chat control, some don't prefer a more socialist state, some prefer a more free state and self-responsibility for their citizens. The citizens should decide, and the government voted in should have the powers to fulfill those wishes.
@jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna If you fell for the lies your government pumps out when campaigning in national elections and promising to do things it cannot or should not do as part of a legal order your country freely signed up to in exchange for the benefits of the Single Market enabled by that legal order, that's on you. The Hungarian government in particular is in full breach of
Treaties under which member states commit to operate in "sincere cooperation" -
@jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna If you fell for the lies your government pumps out when campaigning in national elections and promising to do things it cannot or should not do as part of a legal order your country freely signed up to in exchange for the benefits of the Single Market enabled by that legal order, that's on you. The Hungarian government in particular is in full breach of
Treaties under which member states commit to operate in "sincere cooperation" @jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna The Hungarian government wants my tax money while breaking the law under which that money flows to net receiver countries. Therefore, I don't have to give a single shit about what Viktor Orban promises barely sentient serfs in his oblast. If they don't like it, there's an Art. 50 letter they can write and go be fully sovereign outside of the EU.
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@jirirbr @StefanAlvemo Generally, you are right. In this particular example with Hungary and Slovakia, nope. They *ARE* Troyan horses of our fascist enemy.
@piratzbrna @StefanAlvemo That’s why I’m saying we need to be careful. Just because this case seems to be quite clear, it doesn’t mean other cases where a minority is blocking some decision will be as clear as this one.
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@Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments. That's why there are areas in which countries can veto legislation and/or decisions.
Some countries don't want mass immigration from African countries, some countries don't want chat control, some don't prefer a more socialist state, some prefer a more free state and self-responsibility for their citizens. The citizens should decide, and the government voted in should have the powers to fulfill those wishes.
@jirirbr @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Sorry, but that's BS. The Hungarian opposition had no such veto, so why should the majority in the Union bow to a veto of a government that does not allow the same from its own opposition? Also, I seem to remember that nobody forced Hungary to become a member state, and Orbán is all to happy to take in the billions.
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@jirirbr @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Sorry, but that's BS. The Hungarian opposition had no such veto, so why should the majority in the Union bow to a veto of a government that does not allow the same from its own opposition? Also, I seem to remember that nobody forced Hungary to become a member state, and Orbán is all to happy to take in the billions.
#HungaryOutUkraineIn@martinlentink @jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Apparently this doesn't apply to me (I voted for Sánchez, who promised to support Ukraine) or you (likely voted for a similar government):
"When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments."
So WE can be overruled by some racist chud from Tatabánya even tho
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