Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.
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@StefanAlvemo
Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.@swoonie @StefanAlvemo Didn't we just finish financing a rail link to Ukraine via Hungary? Punching a hole in the EU map right on Ukraine's border seems a bit shortsighted given the timelines involved in even the most rushed EU Treaty change process. By the time we'd have a mechanism in place, Orbán's cholesterol will have long put him out of commission.
That said, I don't mind this being THE casus belli for treaty change, it just wouldn't even make it into my top 10 priorities for #EUreform
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@StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.
@markdevries Completely agree... in favour of Qualified Majority.
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@StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.
We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.
@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.
(Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo I agree (I think) in principle; but it's the how that troubles me: there isn't really an effective mechanism under the Treaties that will allow this, afaik.
Or has that changed?
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo one time was too many. the enemy states should be forced into submission.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo
Nope. We should work around them.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo How about we trade Hungary for all of Ukraine which would include Crimea of course
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo Putin's sitting at the EU table.
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@StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.
We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.
@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.
I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-yearsFossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo Unión de Egos europeos.
Este teatro no da para tanto actor que en vez de ensayar va por libre e improvisa. No, no hay democracia en la UE. Quienes dirigen el parlamento de la unión, son los primeros en ser elegidos a dedo y son los mismos a lo largo del tiempo, ocupando diferentes puestos.
El veto, es anacrónico, una herramienta de poder de mitad del siglo XX.
Quien no quiera construir, solo imponer a la fuerza, que se le indique cual el camino de salida y decida si lo toma o no. -
Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
KICK them OUT
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@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.
I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."
@GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.
(Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)
I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).
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The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-yearsFossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.
Dismantle oil companies. Break them up.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo I partially agree with the original post, however EU must stop acting herself as a foreign agent against her very interrests....
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo this is not about boosting but about contacting your MEP representative
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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@StefanAlvemo and where would Hungary [and Estonoa] go if they were ejected? Feel the 100% agreement in votes needs amending so one or more coumtries camnot endlessly veto
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@StefanAlvemo
Nope. We should work around them.
@trending_bot#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol
@oneiros I'm with Mark on this Expelling them gives Russia even more foothold. A large part of the population of Hungary (and Slovakia) want to be in the EU. What we need to get rid of is the power to Veto.
