🍪 There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners.
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@noybeu I don't agree.
First it's not about cookies but all PII the software is processing, e.g. in localStorage, every IP in Third Party Requests and even in the websites own Requests if not strictly necessary and obvious why.
You have to inform for each Purpose and Service in the moment of processing and ask for permission.
The Solution could only work if we have a human countable list of DPS/Purposes in the browser, but on websites could still be different ones. Banner still needed.
@noybeu Another thing is I want to give site specific consent, e.g. I like showing Valve and some other sites that I'm on Linux, so that they can focus on optimise for these system.
Ok, certainly there will be a way for me to configure this but that leads to the question if site owners should have the right to remind me and ask again. Basically showing the good old banner again.
If yes, than mainly all sites will stick to showing the banner on every landing page.
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@noybeu Another thing is I want to give site specific consent, e.g. I like showing Valve and some other sites that I'm on Linux, so that they can focus on optimise for these system.
Ok, certainly there will be a way for me to configure this but that leads to the question if site owners should have the right to remind me and ask again. Basically showing the good old banner again.
If yes, than mainly all sites will stick to showing the banner on every landing page.
@noybeu And last but not least if the banners will really be killed, most VLOPs sites will continue with visitor stitching and track everything in a hidden server to server way.
So given that, the server infrastructure would have to be inspected from time to time by official inspectors. Who should do that? Which organisation do you trust.
It's a mess.
BTW: I'm angry to Mozilla hiding the Google Analytics requests in Dev Tools beside they are clearly coming through with almost all data.
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. 
And we finally have a chance to get rid of them!
The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently.
A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union. @noybeu I find the benefit of this a bit unclear. Yes clicking away cookie banners is annoying. We have some technical workarounds to make it easier like https://consentomatic.au.dk/ or https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/. The issues I see are the dark patterns used in practice, not to mention simple noncompliance with the existing law, and it being way too difficult to penalize this. Are there materials that explain more about why this campaign considers this a good change?
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@noybeu I find the benefit of this a bit unclear. Yes clicking away cookie banners is annoying. We have some technical workarounds to make it easier like https://consentomatic.au.dk/ or https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/. The issues I see are the dark patterns used in practice, not to mention simple noncompliance with the existing law, and it being way too difficult to penalize this. Are there materials that explain more about why this campaign considers this a good change?
@noybeu Not to mention, as pointed out by your site, if this is part of the problematic Digital Omnibus, am I not risking that politicians support the whole Omnibus instead of just the aspect I would like them to?
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@noybeu I find the benefit of this a bit unclear. Yes clicking away cookie banners is annoying. We have some technical workarounds to make it easier like https://consentomatic.au.dk/ or https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/. The issues I see are the dark patterns used in practice, not to mention simple noncompliance with the existing law, and it being way too difficult to penalize this. Are there materials that explain more about why this campaign considers this a good change?
@HarHarLinks Hi there! We will provide more information on the website explaining how the solution could look like in practice asap. In short, we favor an approach where a third-party agent can manage such requests and give (based on user choices) specific consent to individual controllers.
You can check out ADPC or navigator.consent for examples for how this can be implemented technically
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@noybeu Not to mention, as pointed out by your site, if this is part of the problematic Digital Omnibus, am I not risking that politicians support the whole Omnibus instead of just the aspect I would like them to?
@HarHarLinks No, not at all. These negotiations are not "all or nothing", but the articles are being discussed individually. MEPs can therefore be for one measure (in this case Article 88b GDPR), but be against the measures that would weaken your rights. This is what we are trying to achieve in this case.
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union.
@noybeu Browser-level preferences would be a huge improvement.
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union. Like, the Do Not Track signal, but this time being actually respected by law? Yeah I like that
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@HarHarLinks Hi there! We will provide more information on the website explaining how the solution could look like in practice asap. In short, we favor an approach where a third-party agent can manage such requests and give (based on user choices) specific consent to individual controllers.
You can check out ADPC or navigator.consent for examples for how this can be implemented technically
@noybeu Thanks for replying, I look forward to more updates.
Should I not be concerned that solutions with detailed presets like in the navigator.consent demo actually widen the tracking fingerprint surface for bad actors? I understand that anything not sufficiently common I send into the internet is another identifying datum, lessening my privacy stance.
The convenience through technology is nice, but no solution to a problem of a policy not having sufficient teeth to enforce it.
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union.
@noybeu I think the real solution is to outlaw data-brokers. remove the incentive structure and thats it
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Take a look at https://killthecookiebanner.eu/ to learn how YOU can help!
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union.
@noybeu done
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Together with @beuc , @checkmyads , Civil Liberties Union for Europe, @edri , @eff , Irish Council for Civil Liberties, Stichting Data Bescherming Nederland, @apti , @HomoDigitalisGR , Digihumanism - Centre for AI & Digital Humanism, and Sustainable Computing Lab, noyb has therefore joined a campaign to make this happen – and #KillTheCookieBanner!@noybeu @beuc @checkmyads @edri @eff @apti @HomoDigitalisGR
@bitsoffreedom iets voor jullie?
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union.
Related: we never needed those in the first place, but for malicious compliance.
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@noybeu I think the real solution is to outlaw data-brokers. remove the incentive structure and thats it
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@noybeu And last but not least if the banners will really be killed, most VLOPs sites will continue with visitor stitching and track everything in a hidden server to server way.
So given that, the server infrastructure would have to be inspected from time to time by official inspectors. Who should do that? Which organisation do you trust.
It's a mess.
BTW: I'm angry to Mozilla hiding the Google Analytics requests in Dev Tools beside they are clearly coming through with almost all data.
@streetcoder @noybeu
Mozilla gets 85% of their annual revenue from Google, if that helps -
@streetcoder @noybeu
Mozilla gets 85% of their annual revenue from Google, if that helpsCould be part of the problem. I think Mozilla is routing GA requests through their own servers and claim it's for privacy reasons.
But why do they not show these analytics request in dev tools?
I can see them! All of them which are running through my clients websites with Server Side GTM. All tracking parameters are unchanged, same same, no privacy.
They still could profile and target people, I can redact this before Google, but not before Mozilla Servers are reached.
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union.
@noybeu do you know of an initiative like this that includes the UK?
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There's one thing we can all agree on: we're fed up with misleading cookie banners. And we finally have a chance to get rid of them! The solution? Simple! Express your privacy preferences once, for example via your browser or device, and have them respected permanently. A proposal to end this tracking circus is currently on the table of EU lawmakers – and could easily simplify things for everyone in the European Union.
@noybeu
It... already exists. Most browsers give the option to refuse all cookies.
It also already existed before the RGPD, that's why the RGPD was completly useless about dealing with cookies.
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