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Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

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  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

    Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

    - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
    - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
    - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
    - MS Office --> @libreoffice
    - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
    - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
    - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

    …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

    summerof68@social.vivaldi.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @Vivaldi
    MSoffice -> LibreOffice, SoftMaker Office, Euro-Office
    Microsoft 365 -> Ksuite

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    • tomminieminen@mastodontti.fiT tomminieminen@mastodontti.fi

      @Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota @jolla @volla @murena iCloud/Google Drive can also be replaced by @filen .

      rail@snailedit.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #4

      @tomminieminen I wouldn’t advise as recently a user has reported that it you go above the limits, against their own policy, that they will delete all of your user data without recovery

      https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/s/spcNpJc73e It’s not great I can’t lie

      michaelgrainger@social.vivaldi.netM david_bardos@mementomori.socialD 2 Replies Last reply
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      • rail@snailedit.socialR rail@snailedit.social

        @tomminieminen I wouldn’t advise as recently a user has reported that it you go above the limits, against their own policy, that they will delete all of your user data without recovery

        https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/s/spcNpJc73e It’s not great I can’t lie

        michaelgrainger@social.vivaldi.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        @rail @tomminieminen I read that this morning! What a nightmare for that poor guy! That's really going to lose them a lot of business! Up until that, they seemed like their setup was pretty decent!

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        • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

          Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

          - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
          - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
          - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
          - MS Office --> @libreoffice
          - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
          - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
          - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

          …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

          kris@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #6

          @Vivaldi I'm pretty sure @GrapheneOS are likely to have an opinion on your choice of iOS/Android alternatives.

          stonebear2@hachyderm.ioS micdan@mstdn.partyM lacze@hear-me.socialL david_bardos@mementomori.socialD 4 Replies Last reply
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          • kris@mas.toK kris@mas.to

            @Vivaldi I'm pretty sure @GrapheneOS are likely to have an opinion on your choice of iOS/Android alternatives.

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            #7

            @kris

            True, though Graphene could use some alternatives to the Pixel and Motorola's _flagship_-to-be... something Murena has caught on to... (competition is good, I hope this encourages it!)

            @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS

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            • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

              Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

              - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
              - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
              - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
              - MS Office --> @libreoffice
              - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
              - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
              - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

              …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

              stonebear2@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              @Vivaldi I would say StartMail (same company as Startpage) for email... and yes, they play well with Vivaldi's IMAP client...

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              • kris@mas.toK kris@mas.to

                @Vivaldi I'm pretty sure @GrapheneOS are likely to have an opinion on your choice of iOS/Android alternatives.

                micdan@mstdn.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #9

                @kris @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS Yeah, I mean e/os? Cmon 😅

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                • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                  Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

                  - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
                  - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
                  - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
                  - MS Office --> @libreoffice
                  - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
                  - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
                  - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

                  …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

                  jkambber@social.vivaldi.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #10

                  @Vivaldi I'm a heavy Vivaldi mail user but wait, mastodon to replace icloud and ggdrive? I don't know that

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                  • kris@mas.toK kris@mas.to

                    @Vivaldi I'm pretty sure @GrapheneOS are likely to have an opinion on your choice of iOS/Android alternatives.

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                    #11

                    @kris @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS they prefer e/0S SCAM

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                    • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                      Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

                      - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
                      - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
                      - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
                      - MS Office --> @libreoffice
                      - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
                      - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
                      - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

                      …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

                      marc_eu@veganism.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #12

                      @Vivaldi
                      Surprised not to see the Norwegian @runbox included ...

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                      • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                        Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

                        - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
                        - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
                        - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
                        - MS Office --> @libreoffice
                        - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
                        - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
                        - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

                        …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

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                        #13

                        @Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota @jolla @volla @murena

                        Proton really ??

                        after all their data sellouts and hidden/ closet agreement to comply with USA'ian laws.

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                        • lacze@hear-me.socialL lacze@hear-me.social

                          @kris @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS they prefer e/0S SCAM

                          rodolforg@mastodon.onlineR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #14

                          @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS why is it scam?

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                          • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                            Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

                            - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
                            - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
                            - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
                            - MS Office --> @libreoffice
                            - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
                            - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
                            - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

                            …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

                            bargo@mastodon.tnB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #15

                            @nizarus you may find this interesting

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                            • rodolforg@mastodon.onlineR rodolforg@mastodon.online

                              @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS why is it scam?

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                              #16

                              @rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi /e/ has very poor privacy and atrocious security despite how it's marketed. It doesn't keep up with crucial standard privacy and security patches or protections. It consistently lags weeks to many months behind on patches to the Android Open Source Project and Chromium. It typically lags many months or years behind on Linux kernel updates. Firmware, driver and HAL updates are often not provided at all. An OS without basic privacy and security patches isn't safe.

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                              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                @rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi /e/ has very poor privacy and atrocious security despite how it's marketed. It doesn't keep up with crucial standard privacy and security patches or protections. It consistently lags weeks to many months behind on patches to the Android Open Source Project and Chromium. It typically lags many months or years behind on Linux kernel updates. Firmware, driver and HAL updates are often not provided at all. An OS without basic privacy and security patches isn't safe.

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                                #17

                                @rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi They include a bunch of invasive apps and services in the OS. They send user data to OpenAI and other third parties without consent.

                                Despite being heavily marketed as avoiding Google and portraying privacy as being all about that when it isn't, /e/ adds a bunch of default enabled Google services. They give extensive privileged access to those Google services and other Google apps. They download and run Google Play code with privileged access by default.

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                                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                  @rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi They include a bunch of invasive apps and services in the OS. They send user data to OpenAI and other third parties without consent.

                                  Despite being heavily marketed as avoiding Google and portraying privacy as being all about that when it isn't, /e/ adds a bunch of default enabled Google services. They give extensive privileged access to those Google services and other Google apps. They download and run Google Play code with privileged access by default.

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                                  #18

                                  @rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi /e/ is a fork of LineageOS which is a far more sensible replacement for the stock OS on a broad range of devices. LineageOS doesn't regress privacy and security nearly as much including not lagging nearly as far behind on updates. Neither makes an insecure end-of-life device safe to use despite that common misconception, but there are devices where LineageOS gets decent updates while /e/ never does.

                                  More info including 3rd party sources:

                                  https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

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                                  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                                    Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :

                                    - Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
                                    - iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
                                    - Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
                                    - MS Office --> @libreoffice
                                    - Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
                                    - iPhone --> @jolla @volla
                                    - iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS

                                    …& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu

                                    grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #19

                                    @Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota Moving from an iPhone to a device from Jolla, Volla or Murena is a massive downgrade for privacy and security. You're recommending people use devices failing to provide crucial standard privacy/security patches and protections. Using devices which lag many months to even years behind upstream patches isn't safe. It's an extreme contrast with iPhones protecting strong protections.

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                                    • rail@snailedit.socialR rail@snailedit.social

                                      @tomminieminen I wouldn’t advise as recently a user has reported that it you go above the limits, against their own policy, that they will delete all of your user data without recovery

                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/s/spcNpJc73e It’s not great I can’t lie

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                                      #20

                                      @rail @tomminieminen Can you give us something reassuring in this topic? Will this be fixed? @filen

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                                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                        @Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota Moving from an iPhone to a device from Jolla, Volla or Murena is a massive downgrade for privacy and security. You're recommending people use devices failing to provide crucial standard privacy/security patches and protections. Using devices which lag many months to even years behind upstream patches isn't safe. It's an extreme contrast with iPhones protecting strong protections.

                                        grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #21

                                        @Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota /e/ and Murena have heavily pushed the narrative that protecting strong privacy and security protections primarily benefits criminals. They've repeatedly portrayed providing strong defenses for privacy and security weaknesses as being something not relevant to regular people. Computing devices need far better privacy and security to protect regular people.

                                        https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171

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                                        • stonebear2@hachyderm.ioS stonebear2@hachyderm.io

                                          @kris

                                          True, though Graphene could use some alternatives to the Pixel and Motorola's _flagship_-to-be... something Murena has caught on to... (competition is good, I hope this encourages it!)

                                          @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS

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                                          #22

                                          @stonebear2 @kris @Vivaldi All /e/ and Murena device are missing crucial standard privacy/security patches and protections. The reason they support a massive range of devices is because they don't actually care about privacy but rather only making money. They mislead users about what's provided while sending off their data to third parties and failing to protect them from severe privacy and security holes. They claim strong privacy and security is for criminals.

                                          https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171

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