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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Right! Let's get this thread (and this journey!) started!

    Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Finale Day 15 - 1 July - Ravières - Paris - Frankfurt (Main) - Nürnberg - Cheb - Praha

    Today's new borders:
    None. Because I'm going back to… Praha. I haven’t done this trip for 3 weeks. Let’s hope it goes better than last month. The reason: a speech there on 2nd July.

    Borders map, inc. borders re-crossed:
    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#14/50.0829/12.3021

    Today's trains on the routes map:
    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#7/48.887/8.398

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    Here's today's #CrossBorderRail music track

    Train pour Bandol
    Snooz

    It's about SNCF, so in it goes! And it features the famous jingle! Thanks @nono

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ueOo1jE2w

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Here's today's #CrossBorderRail music track

      Train pour Bandol
      Snooz

      It's about SNCF, so in it goes! And it features the famous jingle! Thanks @nono

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ueOo1jE2w

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      And here's this morning's intro video, complete with Josette 🐈

      https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/mwJQJztYGo3LhqU6ogcCyg

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        And here's this morning's intro video, complete with Josette 🐈

        https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/mwJQJztYGo3LhqU6ogcCyg

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        #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 60 of 158
        TER 91371
        06:39 Nuits-sous-Ravières - Montbard 06:48
        SNCF for TER Mobigo

        Train type: Bombardier AGC bi-mode MU, 4 short carriages
        ⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
        🚲: ✅
        🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows, Nuits doesn't but Montbard does)
        🛜: ⛔️
        🍽️: ⛔
        🧳: 🙂️
        🧽: 😐 (stinky toilet made the whole carriage smelly)️

        🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 60 of 158
          TER 91371
          06:39 Nuits-sous-Ravières - Montbard 06:48
          SNCF for TER Mobigo

          Train type: Bombardier AGC bi-mode MU, 4 short carriages
          ⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
          🚲: ✅
          🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows, Nuits doesn't but Montbard does)
          🛜: ⛔️
          🍽️: ⛔
          🧳: 🙂️
          🧽: 😐 (stinky toilet made the whole carriage smelly)️

          🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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          TER 91371
          06:39 Nuits-sous-Ravières - Montbard 06:48

          Distance: 18.2km
          Average speed: 121km/h

          1 stops:
          Montbard

          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#13/47.6738/4.2743

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            TER 91371
            06:39 Nuits-sous-Ravières - Montbard 06:48

            Distance: 18.2km
            Average speed: 121km/h

            1 stops:
            Montbard

            This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#13/47.6738/4.2743

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            #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 61 of 158
            TGV 6760
            07:05 Montbard - Paris Gare de Lyon 08:09
            SNCF Voyageurs

            Train type: Alstom TGV Duplex, 8 short double deck carriages
            ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac, 1.5kV dc)
            🚲: ⛔️
            🦽: ✅ (step free into bottom level then lift down inside)
            🛜: ✅ (and it's working well)
            🍽️: ✅
            🧳: ☹️ (horrid design, although as it's mostly business travellers today there's enough space)
            🧽: 🙂

            🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €10 or €20 from Rail Europe)

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 61 of 158
              TGV 6760
              07:05 Montbard - Paris Gare de Lyon 08:09
              SNCF Voyageurs

              Train type: Alstom TGV Duplex, 8 short double deck carriages
              ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac, 1.5kV dc)
              🚲: ⛔️
              🦽: ✅ (step free into bottom level then lift down inside)
              🛜: ✅ (and it's working well)
              🍽️: ✅
              🧳: ☹️ (horrid design, although as it's mostly business travellers today there's enough space)
              🧽: 🙂

              🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €10 or €20 from Rail Europe)

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              #7

              Quick recap of what I am seeking to find on these #CrossBorderRail journeys: https://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/crossborderrail-what-am-i-trying-to-find-and-whats-the-goal/

              Today and tomorrow surprises are unlikely, but Thursday and Friday are going to be interesting!

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Quick recap of what I am seeking to find on these #CrossBorderRail journeys: https://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/crossborderrail-what-am-i-trying-to-find-and-whats-the-goal/

                Today and tomorrow surprises are unlikely, but Thursday and Friday are going to be interesting!

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                As I roll into Gare de Lyon I check my departures from Gare de l‘Est. All smooth so far. But SNCF is incredible - not a single long distance train from Est between 08:36 and 09:06! #CrossBorderRail

                I’ll 🚲 across Paris instead of taking the RER

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  As I roll into Gare de Lyon I check my departures from Gare de l‘Est. All smooth so far. But SNCF is incredible - not a single long distance train from Est between 08:36 and 09:06! #CrossBorderRail

                  I’ll 🚲 across Paris instead of taking the RER

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                  Total chaos boarding the TGV Duplex at Est

                  High clueless tourist % who can’t find their seats, not helped by lousy signage on board

                  SNCF: so many people want our high speed trains make them double deck!

                  Also SNCF: let’s design them so badly they need 10 minutes to board

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    Total chaos boarding the TGV Duplex at Est

                    High clueless tourist % who can’t find their seats, not helped by lousy signage on board

                    SNCF: so many people want our high speed trains make them double deck!

                    Also SNCF: let’s design them so badly they need 10 minutes to board

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                    And two passengers with headscarves, and three ethnic minority people in my carriage

                    I can guess now who the Bundespolizei is going to go for in Kehl

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      And two passengers with headscarves, and three ethnic minority people in my carriage

                      I can guess now who the Bundespolizei is going to go for in Kehl

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                      Also - logically - I beat the rush to get to the TGV by identifying the only TGV Euroduplex in the station and waiting by that platform before SNCF announced the platform to everyone else 😀

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                        Also - logically - I beat the rush to get to the TGV by identifying the only TGV Euroduplex in the station and waiting by that platform before SNCF announced the platform to everyone else 😀

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                        Very unpleasant situation in the TGV

                        Woman in front of me gets on, slams down the window blind that covers both windows

                        I - annoyed - because I want to look out, push it back and tell her in French that she’s not alone, and she should ask

                        5 minutes later she pushes it down again 1/2

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          Very unpleasant situation in the TGV

                          Woman in front of me gets on, slams down the window blind that covers both windows

                          I - annoyed - because I want to look out, push it back and tell her in French that she’s not alone, and she should ask

                          5 minutes later she pushes it down again 1/2

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                          I then in French tell her she can go find another seat if she likes

                          She then tells me I should find another seat, and accuses me of being selfish

                          Adults - I tell her - negotiate to sort these things out between them

                          She gets even more annoyed

                          I tell her - still in French - her righteousness is very French

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            I then in French tell her she can go find another seat if she likes

                            She then tells me I should find another seat, and accuses me of being selfish

                            Adults - I tell her - negotiate to sort these things out between them

                            She gets even more annoyed

                            I tell her - still in French - her righteousness is very French

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                            And your behaviour is very German! she screams back at me

                            No I say, in Germany passengers would not get into an argument about this

                            Your wrong she then argues back. I’ve never encountered a passenger as arrogant as you she says

                            Trust me lady, I’ve travelled by train a bit, and I’ve seen few as arrogant as you

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              And your behaviour is very German! she screams back at me

                              No I say, in Germany passengers would not get into an argument about this

                              Your wrong she then argues back. I’ve never encountered a passenger as arrogant as you she says

                              Trust me lady, I’ve travelled by train a bit, and I’ve seen few as arrogant as you

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                              By now the train is on the high speed line and 🥁 the sun isn’t on her any more anyway 😀

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                                By now the train is on the high speed line and 🥁 the sun isn’t on her any more anyway 😀

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                                Also ultimately here neither position - blind up or down - is more right or wrong. There are cases for either. You negotiate such things

                                But this other passenger assumed her way was the only way, and had not even thought there was another outcome

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Also ultimately here neither position - blind up or down - is more right or wrong. There are cases for either. You negotiate such things

                                  But this other passenger assumed her way was the only way, and had not even thought there was another outcome

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                                  Ha

                                  Someone walks along the corridor and at the moment the person passes the lady who argued with me about the window blind the train violently shakes, and the person falls towards her (totally not that person's fault), but that pisses her off too

                                  It's not her day 😀

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                                    Ha

                                    Someone walks along the corridor and at the moment the person passes the lady who argued with me about the window blind the train violently shakes, and the person falls towards her (totally not that person's fault), but that pisses her off too

                                    It's not her day 😀

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                                    #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 62 of 158
                                    TGV 9551
                                    09:06 Paris Est - Frankfurt (Main) Hbf 12:59
                                    SNCF Voyageurs, DB Fernverkehr

                                    Train type: Alstom TGV Euroduplex, 8 short double deck carriages
                                    ⚡️ (25kV ac, 15kV ac)
                                    🚲: ⛔️
                                    🦽: ✅ (step free into train, lift down inside)
                                    🛜: ✅ (something is weird with it though, very patchy)
                                    🍽️: ✅
                                    🧳: ☹️ (poor design)
                                    🧽: 🙂

                                    🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €19)

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                                      #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 62 of 158
                                      TGV 9551
                                      09:06 Paris Est - Frankfurt (Main) Hbf 12:59
                                      SNCF Voyageurs, DB Fernverkehr

                                      Train type: Alstom TGV Euroduplex, 8 short double deck carriages
                                      ⚡️ (25kV ac, 15kV ac)
                                      🚲: ⛔️
                                      🦽: ✅ (step free into train, lift down inside)
                                      🛜: ✅ (something is weird with it though, very patchy)
                                      🍽️: ✅
                                      🧳: ☹️ (poor design)
                                      🧽: 🙂

                                      🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €19)

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                                      TGV 9551
                                      09:06 Paris Est - Frankfurt (Main) Hbf (via Saarbrücken) 12:59

                                      Distance: 589.8km
                                      Average speed: 152km/h

                                      5 stops:
                                      Forbach
                                      Saarbrücken Hbf
                                      Kaiserslautern Hbf
                                      Mannheim Hbf
                                      Frankfurt(Main)Hbf

                                      This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#8/49.493/5.512

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                                        TGV 9551
                                        09:06 Paris Est - Frankfurt (Main) Hbf (via Saarbrücken) 12:59

                                        Distance: 589.8km
                                        Average speed: 152km/h

                                        5 stops:
                                        Forbach
                                        Saarbrücken Hbf
                                        Kaiserslautern Hbf
                                        Mannheim Hbf
                                        Frankfurt(Main)Hbf

                                        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#8/49.493/5.512

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                                        Meanwhile via @LachAnonym news about a line I visited a fortnight ago: https://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/wiadomosci/skpl-rezygnuje-z-pociagow-do-chyrowa-kolejne-problemy-prawne--123834.html

                                        Services through Krościenko 🇵🇱 - Smolnica 🇺🇦 to Khyriv will not start, which honestly doesn't surprise me as the infra is so bad

                                        Malhowice 🇵🇱 - Nyzhankovychi 🇺🇦 would be a better bet, but SKPL has its depot on the other line...

                                        Borders here: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#9/49.6241/22.6497

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                                          Meanwhile via @LachAnonym news about a line I visited a fortnight ago: https://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/wiadomosci/skpl-rezygnuje-z-pociagow-do-chyrowa-kolejne-problemy-prawne--123834.html

                                          Services through Krościenko 🇵🇱 - Smolnica 🇺🇦 to Khyriv will not start, which honestly doesn't surprise me as the infra is so bad

                                          Malhowice 🇵🇱 - Nyzhankovychi 🇺🇦 would be a better bet, but SKPL has its depot on the other line...

                                          Borders here: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#9/49.6241/22.6497

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                                          Meanwhile re. the window blind argument: the blind is 80% open, because the sun is now high enough to not shine on the other passenger's laptop

                                          (Which I knew would happen, because I know the geographic arrangement of LGV Est, and I am sat downstairs in the Duplex)

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