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  • etenil@toot.catE etenil@toot.cat

    @benroyce @NicelyManifest @JigmeDatse @redsad it's worse as propaganda is targeted and deliberate. A firehose of falsehood serves to undermine a communication channel by saturating it with noise.

    But AI goes beyond this by its broadness. It pollutes all communication channels without discrimination ans without pilot and devalues any information or item of expression we can have access to. Leaving only those things that have been provably handmade with intrinsic value. Even historic artefacts like the photo in OP are not to be trusted anymore.

    You're right that it means we can no longer trust anything we read or hear, but as a Frenchman brought up in Cartesian philosophy, I would argue that we should always doubt everything, that is the only healthy mindset.

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    #20

    @etenil @benroyce @JigmeDatse @redsad Please hang on to that sage root. Retain critical thinking as much as you can. Herd behaviour now - society saturated with walking zombies (in the sense that they are not present where they are - not consciously present) - is really something to steer clear of.

    It is hard to see how all this could be undone - not least that the bastards who steer the world on the single premise that profit is all that matters - corporations/govts will not fix things.

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @redsad

      i hate the reflexive dreary "that's AI" kind of comment under everything that seems too good to be true, but i admit at first i thought this was AI

      nope

      it's a reversed image of a still from the Charlie Chaplin film "Pay Day" (1922)

      https://youtu.be/qWmoHvYhl4k

      (at exactly 21 seconds in)

      which is quite incredible

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      #21

      @benroyce @redsad
      My reaction was "Please let it be not-AI, please let it so someone already posted a link to the original..."
      So thanks you for your service 🤠🤏🤌🎩

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @JigmeDatse @redsad @etenil

        no the image above is real

        but like you said, "that's #AI" is really "i don't like this"

        the problem of fakery, turbocharged with AI, is not that fakes. i mean those are a problem obviously, but they aren't the real problem

        the real problem is AI makes us doubt everything

        so what do we use as a guide of truth or fiction? our biases: "i don't like this, so it must be fake"

        so all the "this is AI" comments become a droning background noise of reflexive prejudice

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        #22

        @benroyce @JigmeDatse @redsad @etenil

        Don't know about others, but for me many times it's "this is too good to be true, it's probably AI". Where "too good" is not in the sense of high quality, just fits our wishes or imagination too well.

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        • redsad@ohai.socialR redsad@ohai.social

          I love this so much

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          #23

          @redsad 😂

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          • yaarur@tooot.imY yaarur@tooot.im

            @benroyce @redsad
            My reaction was "Please let it be not-AI, please let it so someone already posted a link to the original..."
            So thanks you for your service 🤠🤏🤌🎩

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            #24

            @yaarur @redsad

            the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

            but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

            i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

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            • johny28@thecanadian.socialJ johny28@thecanadian.social

              @benroyce
              https://xkcd.com/331/

              @etenil @redsad

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              #25

              @Johny28 @etenil @redsad 😂

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              • danimo@kolektiva.socialD danimo@kolektiva.social

                @benroyce There are also some good reasons to suspect AI is involved here.
                The precise framing, as seen in the more recent meme, and the fact that such progressive camera angles—with people walking past the camera in a blurred close-up—are quite atypical for that era.
                I’ve been studying film for 30 years now—and I had to watch the original video, knowing full well that it’s “real,” just to be convinced.
                In just 2–5 years, that’s likely to be much harder if the flood of slop in the media continues like this.

                @redsad

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                #26

                @danimo @redsad

                yup

                the posting date of 2017 clinches it

                but in the future, can we trust youtube with truthful posting dates if it is wholly part of an abusive plutocrat agenda?

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @yaarur @redsad

                  the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

                  but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

                  i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

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                  #27

                  @benroyce @yaarur @redsad

                  The word for that is "Orwellian" for a reason

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                  • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

                    @benroyce @etenil @redsad
                    I said that a picture was “photoshopped” yesterday. Likely to have been done by AI. It was a news article showing Trump with smooth skin instead or reality. Photos were “airbrushed” or “retouched” for publication long before computers could do it.

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                    #28

                    @stevewfolds @etenil @redsad

                    airbrush and scalpel! 🥴

                    https://mastodon.social/@benroyce/116705797784498812

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                    • redsad@ohai.socialR redsad@ohai.social

                      I love this so much

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                      #29

                      @redsad

                      "There is nothing new under the Sun!"

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                      • johny28@thecanadian.socialJ johny28@thecanadian.social

                        @benroyce
                        https://xkcd.com/331/

                        @etenil @redsad

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                        #30

                        @Johny28 @benroyce @etenil @redsad

                        Alt Text: "When I look into your eyes, I see JPEG artifacts. I can tell by the pixels that we're wrong for each other."

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                        • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

                          @Johny28 @benroyce @etenil @redsad

                          Alt Text: "When I look into your eyes, I see JPEG artifacts. I can tell by the pixels that we're wrong for each other."

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                          #31

                          @SeanPLynch @Johny28 @etenil @redsad

                          😆

                          the future of dating

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @yaarur @redsad

                            the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

                            but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

                            i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

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                            #32

                            @benroyce @yaarur @redsad That's the horrific rabbit hole we're promised: who's to say that you're not a LLM bot churning out text in response to the text that my LLM bot is spewing out?

                            I mean, it's not and I don't believe it is either, but the doubt is out there now.

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                            • redsad@ohai.socialR redsad@ohai.social

                              I love this so much

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                              #33

                              @redsad it's so good! 🤣

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                                #34

                                @FediThing @benroyce @yaarur @redsad "If people want to digitise everything, they make everything open to manipulation." and that is the objective as to why, See Orwell's 1984 for more details

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @yaarur @redsad

                                  the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

                                  but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

                                  i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

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                                  #35

                                  @benroyce @yaarur @redsad dystopian future? Is already as dystopian as the movies and novels, all of them.

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                                  • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF flipper@mastodonapp.uk

                                    @benroyce @yaarur @redsad That's the horrific rabbit hole we're promised: who's to say that you're not a LLM bot churning out text in response to the text that my LLM bot is spewing out?

                                    I mean, it's not and I don't believe it is either, but the doubt is out there now.

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                                    #36

                                    @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                                    a sybil attack

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

                                    i think you're real

                                    i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

                                    but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

                                    well then we are truly fucked

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @yaarur @redsad

                                      the clip was posted 9 years ago so it really is definitive

                                      but i see a future where a company like youtube will mess even with posting dates to fool us

                                      i think we will have a dystopian future where #AI permeates and saturates so much, and plutocrat agendas in charge hold so much abusive power they eagerly wield (like the recent posts about destroying antique books en masse), that we really will have absolutely no idea what is real history and what is not

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                                      #37

                                      @benroyce @yaarur @redsad

                                      We need the black wall from cyberpunk

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                                      • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF flipper@mastodonapp.uk

                                        @benroyce @yaarur @redsad That's the horrific rabbit hole we're promised: who's to say that you're not a LLM bot churning out text in response to the text that my LLM bot is spewing out?

                                        I mean, it's not and I don't believe it is either, but the doubt is out there now.

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                                        #38

                                        @flipper @benroyce @yaarur @redsad

                                        Don't worry, you can use the AI to check whether something was made by the AI.

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @flipper @yaarur @redsad

                                          a sybil attack

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

                                          i think you're real

                                          i think i'm real (i think, i'm not sure 🤭 )

                                          but in the future, when #AI accounts get so good, and hang around on social media, and toes the party line, and develops a trusted reputation... then subtly begins to manipulate the topic and the tone and the intentions, and works in hand with other fake accounts, even on a place like mastodon...

                                          well then we are truly fucked

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                                          #39

                                          @benroyce @flipper @yaarur @redsad It's clear you're not a bot because you didn't start off your response by stroking their ego, praising them for their utter genius for wondering if you're a bot.

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