Hyundai and Kia added official GrapheneOS support to their apps months before Volkswagen banned GrapheneOS:
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Or you just say that you got a "NitroPhone" by your employer and that their app doesn't work on it. That phone is just a google pixel with GrapheneOS preinstalled and white labeled.
Don't get technical, just be a dumb user that doesn't know more than their app doesn't work on your phone you bought.
That typically works best.
If one of their execs then googles what a NitroPhone is they'll find this product page: https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/nitrophone-10a-988#attribute_values=134,124,250
and similar listings that explain all of the security benefits and clearly advertise it to high security business customers.
So they'll just tell their tech departments to make it work there
(It did work for banking apps for me, so...)
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Leave a 1 star review for Volkswagen's apps on the Play Store asking them to stop banning GrapheneOS. Explain it's a far more secure operating system and fully possible for them to verify the hardware, OS and their app on it if they insist on doing it. It's far more secure than anything they allow.
Google has misled companies about what the Play Integrity API provides. It doesn't genuinely enforce having a secure device or legitimate app, it only pretends to. It leaves huge security holes open. It enforces Google's business interests and bans having a reasonably secure device with GrapheneOS.
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Google has misled companies about what the Play Integrity API provides. It doesn't genuinely enforce having a secure device or legitimate app, it only pretends to. It leaves huge security holes open. It enforces Google's business interests and bans having a reasonably secure device with GrapheneOS.
Most companies are unlikely to stop using the Play Integrity API but most are willing to start permitting GrapheneOS via hardware attestation with enough pressure.
In addition to every user of their app on GrapheneOS leaving a 1 star review on the Play Store, multiple other steps can be taken too.
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Most companies are unlikely to stop using the Play Integrity API but most are willing to start permitting GrapheneOS via hardware attestation with enough pressure.
In addition to every user of their app on GrapheneOS leaving a 1 star review on the Play Store, multiple other steps can be taken too.
Every GrapheneOS user with one of their cars using the app should file a customer support request. Keep answering them and countering the template responses. Escalate the request higher up. Tell them you want money back for the vehicle due to reduced functionality after the fact and insist on it.
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If one of their execs then googles what a NitroPhone is they'll find this product page: https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/nitrophone-10a-988#attribute_values=134,124,250
and similar listings that explain all of the security benefits and clearly advertise it to high security business customers.
So they'll just tell their tech departments to make it work there
(It did work for banking apps for me, so...)
Oh and also funnily Volkswagen is listed as one of the customers of NitroKey, so their execs probably at least already know the company name. Therefore you've basically already a foot in the door that way too.
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Every GrapheneOS user with one of their cars using the app should file a customer support request. Keep answering them and countering the template responses. Escalate the request higher up. Tell them you want money back for the vehicle due to reduced functionality after the fact and insist on it.
They can trivially stop enforcing the anti-security and anti-competitive Play Integrity API or easily add hardware-based verification of GrapheneOS. Link to https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide in the customer support request, but don't add any links to Play Store reviews to avoid filtering.
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They can trivially stop enforcing the anti-security and anti-competitive Play Integrity API or easily add hardware-based verification of GrapheneOS. Link to https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide in the customer support request, but don't add any links to Play Store reviews to avoid filtering.
A bunch of apps have added explicit support for GrapheneOS due to pressure from our users. Our userbase is rapidly growing and we'll gain the ability to apply massive pressure to companies doing this. We plan to ship a feature for our Info app for people to opt-in to getting asked for their help.
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A bunch of apps have added explicit support for GrapheneOS due to pressure from our users. Our userbase is rapidly growing and we'll gain the ability to apply massive pressure to companies doing this. We plan to ship a feature for our Info app for people to opt-in to getting asked for their help.
GrapheneOS is production quality OS from a non-profit paying around 15 people to work on it. It's far more secure than anything supported by the Play Integrity API. We have an official partnership with Motorola and we'll have more. Just counter template responses and insist on compensation or a fix.
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Google has misled companies about what the Play Integrity API provides. It doesn't genuinely enforce having a secure device or legitimate app, it only pretends to. It leaves huge security holes open. It enforces Google's business interests and bans having a reasonably secure device with GrapheneOS.
I don't use #spotify much and I'm even thinking about deleting my account soon
But lately, I've noticed this little "Play Integrity API usage" window whenever I use Spotify on GrapheneOS
Is this something to be worried about?
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GrapheneOS is production quality OS from a non-profit paying around 15 people to work on it. It's far more secure than anything supported by the Play Integrity API. We have an official partnership with Motorola and we'll have more. Just counter template responses and insist on compensation or a fix.
@GrapheneOS Kia app stopped working on graphene after the latest update though
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@GrapheneOS Kia app stopped working on graphene after the latest update though
@GrapheneOS latest update to the kia app that is
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Leave a 1 star review for Volkswagen's apps on the Play Store asking them to stop banning GrapheneOS. Explain it's a far more secure operating system and fully possible for them to verify the hardware, OS and their app on it if they insist on doing it. It's far more secure than anything they allow.
@GrapheneOS done
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@GrapheneOS latest update to the kia app that is
@ellsinger @GrapheneOS maybe contact Kia about it? Might be a bug or something else not intended -
@ellsinger @GrapheneOS maybe contact Kia about it? Might be a bug or something else not intended
@spacebug @GrapheneOS I will if it persists, just haven't had time
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Leave a 1 star review for Volkswagen's apps on the Play Store asking them to stop banning GrapheneOS. Explain it's a far more secure operating system and fully possible for them to verify the hardware, OS and their app on it if they insist on doing it. It's far more secure than anything they allow.
@GrapheneOS Done.
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Hyundai and Kia added official GrapheneOS support to their apps months before Volkswagen banned GrapheneOS:
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/31697-myhyundai-app-has-official-grapheneos-support
Pressure from Volkswagen customers on them can achieve the same thing. There's no legitimate reason to ban GrapheneOS so they'll undo it with pressure.
@GrapheneOS
I think you might have answered this before, but is there any way to make your OS look different to applications to circumvent the ban? -
Hyundai and Kia added official GrapheneOS support to their apps months before Volkswagen banned GrapheneOS:
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/31697-myhyundai-app-has-official-grapheneos-support
Pressure from Volkswagen customers on them can achieve the same thing. There's no legitimate reason to ban GrapheneOS so they'll undo it with pressure.
@GrapheneOS oh snap thanks for sharing! This is literally the rain I stopped using custom ROMs for a few years
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Spotify isn't blocked or anything, but I just don't exactly know what it is.
This windows shows up the moment I hit play.
Lately, I've been thinking about deleting Spotify and use NextCloud music instead.
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Hyundai and Kia added official GrapheneOS support to their apps months before Volkswagen banned GrapheneOS:
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/31697-myhyundai-app-has-official-grapheneos-support
Pressure from Volkswagen customers on them can achieve the same thing. There's no legitimate reason to ban GrapheneOS so they'll undo it with pressure.
@GrapheneOS they lost a potential customer.
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GrapheneOS is production quality OS from a non-profit paying around 15 people to work on it. It's far more secure than anything supported by the Play Integrity API. We have an official partnership with Motorola and we'll have more. Just counter template responses and insist on compensation or a fix.
@GrapheneOS
Yes! GrapheneOS is great! The Team behind it too... But it is good to mention, that it is AOSP based... And AOSP code is not just 15 people work.
Simmilar to OxygenOS or NothingOS. It is more like distribution than the separate OS. Realy good, polished and hardened distribution of Android.
GrapheneOS, OnePlus or Nothing are still havy based on AOSP and the changes/patches that are for all Android OS'es and that are not a result of only 15 people work.
P. S. I apriciate your work!
