There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird I can attest to the fact there are many software developers who understand how it works well enough and are in fact big fans of LLMs, at least for software development purposes. FWIW though I don't know of any of those who are fans of it outside of that realm
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My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.
@rgulick @futurebird My daughters do the same. It's widely used slang now for anything crappy.
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It's not really true that "the most tech" people have the harshest words for it. Most tech people, including the tech influencers, have no real idea how technology works and are variously enthused by AI.
@richpuchalsky @futurebird AFAIK on average, programmers are against LLMs, though media bias can make it feel the opposite (just as the media was full of people saying cryptocurrency/blockchain/NFTs were the future, even though everyone I knew personally figured they weren't useful for anything). On the votes I'm aware of, most programmers are against LLMs.
For large open-source projects, I think there's also the problem of wanting to compromise with corporate interests and the handful of long-time contributors that want to use LLMs. (Plus the bit where many companies are forcing employees to use LLMs, when LLM use has been described as addictive.)
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@richpuchalsky @futurebird AFAIK on average, programmers are against LLMs, though media bias can make it feel the opposite (just as the media was full of people saying cryptocurrency/blockchain/NFTs were the future, even though everyone I knew personally figured they weren't useful for anything). On the votes I'm aware of, most programmers are against LLMs.
For large open-source projects, I think there's also the problem of wanting to compromise with corporate interests and the handful of long-time contributors that want to use LLMs. (Plus the bit where many companies are forcing employees to use LLMs, when LLM use has been described as addictive.)
Another issue is that in media they want a two min. long story about "AI" and that's enough time to say "it's amazing and the future" or "it's bad, don't bother with it." and not much else.
But, I like technology and I want to talk for hours and hours! Nobody wants to hear that. So, gun to the head? What is the verdict?
"Bad"
I guess. Yeah. Just let it go.
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird People who use AI need to be pelted with old fruit.
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird I‘m as hip and with it as the likes of Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron are …
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.
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@timtfj @futurebird probably
@APBBlue @futurebird I think you'll be OK just doing some small good deed instead. Helping a bluebottle find the huge and glaringly obvious opening round the window so it can finally stop buzzing around your house, say.
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My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.
@rgulick @futurebird
Does that mean that they don't use AI, or are they like many (most?) people who like to complain about slop or some imaginary AI apocalypse and use it anyway? -
There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird in my experience old people who don't understand the technology are MORE likely to be impressed and fail to understand any objections. At least my coworkers are like "I acknowledge your objections and don't care about them"
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Good for them. I don't think people disdain AI because it's trendy to do so. I think it's because AI takes zero effort to make, so is synonymous with scams and stupidity.
@Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird This. I think a lot of people recognise slop for what it is, and why it is called "slop" in the first place.
Some older folks in my family have no idea what AI is anyway. If they see stuff that seems real, they think it is. That's a little scary.
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@Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird This. I think a lot of people recognise slop for what it is, and why it is called "slop" in the first place.
Some older folks in my family have no idea what AI is anyway. If they see stuff that seems real, they think it is. That's a little scary.
@veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird
My Gen Z kids told me, that Gen X/Boomer and older are more likely to do not recognize AI generated slop.
I am doing art and photography, so I get a strange feeling, when I see AI generated Images.
A same aged friend of mine is totally in AI and loves his "creations"
Worst are AI Voiceovers. They raise that uncanny feeling in me. brrrrrr
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@veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird
My Gen Z kids told me, that Gen X/Boomer and older are more likely to do not recognize AI generated slop.
I am doing art and photography, so I get a strange feeling, when I see AI generated Images.
A same aged friend of mine is totally in AI and loves his "creations"
Worst are AI Voiceovers. They raise that uncanny feeling in me. brrrrrr
@desatyr @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird I'm GenX too (rapidly approaching 50) but I mostly work with Millennials, so I don't have a feel for what GenXers believe, but that doesn't surprise me really.
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird my mom, who forgets what a url or link is and can't tell a browser from an operating system, uses it all the time and thinks it fixed search engines...
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
The epidemic of LLM-assisted cheating and the literal objectification of women kinda invalidates your claim about what Young People are doing with LLMs.
You might ask about what we Typical AI Fans are doing, I'm here for the asking.
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@Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird This. I think a lot of people recognise slop for what it is, and why it is called "slop" in the first place.
Some older folks in my family have no idea what AI is anyway. If they see stuff that seems real, they think it is. That's a little scary.
@veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird my grandma thinks ai looks more realistic than reality somehow. She opposes it, saying it is done to mock God by trying to make something smarter, but always picks ai youtube videos. Scams are worse and will worsen further.
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@futurebird The only people I've personally met who have bought into LLM hype at face value are boomers... and I feel like it's related to that period in the 90s where some folks called the Internet a fad and nobody wants to look that foolish again.
Altho I am starting to wonder if there will still be an Internet in a few decades.
@indigoparadox @futurebird I hope at least rss, instant messaging, mailing lists or forums, and torrents remain.
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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.
The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.
@futurebird
I think there is a big divide between what people on Mastodon think people in general think of ai and reality. -
@futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.
@puretaste @futurebird the people who’ve been waiting for Star Trek or Star Wars to happen are like fuck yeah and the people who’ve been watching cyberpunk happen are like welp, here’s some more of it
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@futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.
@puretaste
I am stunned by the people using AI, and how they fail to validate what they get. Yes, a lot of over 60s, but several late 30s or 40s. Grew up with computers, but not necessarily especially tech savvy)(While I qualify as an old guy, I seen a enough less than accurate or relevant responses in simple on line search responses to feel I was listening to the sleazier salesmen pushing their product over a competitors version.
(I use 'salesmen' intentionally, as there were very few women in the areas I worked in, and those few were very reliable)
