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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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    #43

    @futurebird
    I think there is a big divide between what people on Mastodon think people in general think of ai and reality.

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    • puretaste@mastodon.worldP puretaste@mastodon.world

      @futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.

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      #44

      @puretaste @futurebird the people who’ve been waiting for Star Trek or Star Wars to happen are like fuck yeah and the people who’ve been watching cyberpunk happen are like welp, here’s some more of it

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      • puretaste@mastodon.worldP puretaste@mastodon.world

        @futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.

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        #45

        @puretaste
        I am stunned by the people using AI, and how they fail to validate what they get. Yes, a lot of over 60s, but several late 30s or 40s. Grew up with computers, but not necessarily especially tech savvy)

        (While I qualify as an old guy, I seen a enough less than accurate or relevant responses in simple on line search responses to feel I was listening to the sleazier salesmen pushing their product over a competitors version.

        (I use 'salesmen' intentionally, as there were very few women in the areas I worked in, and those few were very reliable)

        @futurebird

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

          Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

          The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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          #46

          @futurebird

          i feel like the pan flashed very quickly and older people are the main ones still talking about how impressive it all is.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

            Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

            The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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            #47

            @futurebird Being convinced to "create with ai" shows a total lack of understanding both the technology and the arts.

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              #48

              @Robinzz3@aus.social

              I’m a fan because I don’t believe AI wants anything from us.

              AI doesn’t want anything from us. The companies that create and sell us AI, now that’s an entirely different story.

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              • paulwermer@sfba.socialP paulwermer@sfba.social

                @puretaste
                I am stunned by the people using AI, and how they fail to validate what they get. Yes, a lot of over 60s, but several late 30s or 40s. Grew up with computers, but not necessarily especially tech savvy)

                (While I qualify as an old guy, I seen a enough less than accurate or relevant responses in simple on line search responses to feel I was listening to the sleazier salesmen pushing their product over a competitors version.

                (I use 'salesmen' intentionally, as there were very few women in the areas I worked in, and those few were very reliable)

                @futurebird

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                #49

                @PaulWermer @futurebird yeah, and they continue doing it even though I've lost count of the amount of times I've said "and what does the source say", only for them to discover it doesn't say what the chatbot said.

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                  Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                  The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                  #50

                  @futurebird Yea, nah!

                  I know it very well, I have been an early adopter.

                  Two things true: 1. The most disruptive technology since the Internet, perhaps the steam engine. 2. The promoters and heads of AI companies, are crooks, greed heads and grifters

                  I am astounded at the rate of progress and dismayed by the culture of slop

                  The "doomers" and the "boosters" (I claim I am neither) are indistinguishable

                  A very strange time to be involved in computing

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                    #51

                    @bob @Peace @futurebird light bulbs are so much better now

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                    • aeischeid@mastodon.socialA aeischeid@mastodon.social

                      @futurebird I can attest to the fact there are many software developers who understand how it works well enough and are in fact big fans of LLMs, at least for software development purposes. FWIW though I don't know of any of those who are fans of it outside of that realm

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                      #52

                      @aeischeid @futurebird That is not true. I have seen at least two use cases outside software development

                      1. Summerising long documents

                      2. Reviewing documents (a spell checker on steroids)

                      In software I find it more useful to have it review my code than have me review it's code

                      Point is, it is too new to understand properly where it's weaknesses and strengths lie

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                      • stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earthS stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earth

                        @futurebird I‘m as hip and with it as the likes of Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron are … 😏

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                        #53

                        @stephan324ppm @futurebird Cory Doctorow is a user

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                        • richpuchalsky@mastodon.socialR richpuchalsky@mastodon.social

                          @futurebird

                          It's not really true that "the most tech" people have the harshest words for it. Most tech people, including the tech influencers, have no real idea how technology works and are variously enthused by AI.

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                          #54

                          @richpuchalsky @futurebird are you sure she meant "most of the tech people" and not "the most techy of the tech people"?

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                            #55

                            @Robinzz3 @futurebird "It has no private agenda, no hunger for status, money, sex, power or approval." that's all pretty true! However, it is built by corporations and funded by investors, all of whom have agendas and they're all bad
                            The only exceptions I can think of to "LLMs are completely controlled by technofascist oligarchs" are DeepSeek and that one Meta accidentally leaked and then made open source (which was still built by a corporation, one notorious for blatant human rights violations)

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                              Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                              The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                              #56

                              @futurebird@sauropods.win

                              Basically this picture.

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                              • desatyr@mastodon.socialD desatyr@mastodon.social

                                @veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird

                                My Gen Z kids told me, that Gen X/Boomer and older are more likely to do not recognize AI generated slop.

                                I am doing art and photography, so I get a strange feeling, when I see AI generated Images.

                                A same aged friend of mine is totally in AI and loves his "creations" 😵‍💫

                                Worst are AI Voiceovers. They raise that uncanny feeling in me. brrrrrr 😬

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                                #57

                                @desatyr @veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird my 15 year old calls out AI images and videos instantly, even in thibgs that are really well done. I will ask her what she sees, and it will take her some time to point out the things that gave her the feel. When I look at her points, she is invariably correct.

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                                  #58

                                  @bob @Peace @futurebird Ok! I get your point!! "Smart bulbs", yuck. Even when they were WiFi enabled light bulbs, but, golly, do we get AI enabled bulbs now? Surely not! Say it is not true.

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                                  • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                                    @bob @Peace @futurebird Ok! I get your point!! "Smart bulbs", yuck. Even when they were WiFi enabled light bulbs, but, golly, do we get AI enabled bulbs now? Surely not! Say it is not true.

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                                    #59

                                    @bob @Peace @futurebird

                                    I have a IoT system in my house. It has no AI in it, but I built it with AI. It was my first experiment in "Vibe Coding". I was using Home Assistant - but it illustrates everything wrong (IMO) with a lot of modern Free Software. It is bloated, slow and uses resources like no body pays. My Raspberry Pi 4 was crashing because it overheated running Home Assistant OS.

                                    Methinks AI features have landed, or are due to land, in HA. Mēh! Good lucjk to them!

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                                    • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                                      @bob @Peace @futurebird

                                      I have a IoT system in my house. It has no AI in it, but I built it with AI. It was my first experiment in "Vibe Coding". I was using Home Assistant - but it illustrates everything wrong (IMO) with a lot of modern Free Software. It is bloated, slow and uses resources like no body pays. My Raspberry Pi 4 was crashing because it overheated running Home Assistant OS.

                                      Methinks AI features have landed, or are due to land, in HA. Mēh! Good lucjk to them!

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                                      #60

                                      @bob @Peace @futurebird

                                      BTW my vibe-coded IoT experiment: https://codeberg.org/worik/castle-iot

                                      Only Tapu switches for now, all I need.

                                      But a lovely touch screen interface - no X-windows straight SDL on the console.

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                        Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                        The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                        #61

                                        @futurebird

                                        "Lower Artificial Intelligence Literacy Predicts Greater AI Receptivity" https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00222429251314491

                                        (Full article is sadly paywalled but the abstract summarises. The final two sentences may make you want to scream into the abyss for a while.)

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                                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                          There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                          Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                          The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                          #62

                                          @futurebird ... I am totally writing this out as a quotation to put on my wall. In my crappy calligraphy. Because this sums it all up beautifully. Thank you.

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