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This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

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  • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

    I can read back to about 1400, but I used to be able to puzzle through middle English in my 20s.

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    @alexhaist

    Allas! I scholde neuer hauen icumen to þis toune of Wuluesfleete!

    I know I should be able to read the 1100, and while finding I can read it aloud, the meaning of it has entirely escaped me in my dotage.

    So 1200 is the last I can manage sensibly, and that much did I enjoy greatly.

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      @alexhaist At 1200 I was lost. I got the sense with a Braille display and some gnawing I might have been able to figure out some of that one, but that's probably where it would have ended.

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      @Gaptangle oh wow! I was thoroughly lost by then.

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      • danmccullough@ecoevo.socialD danmccullough@ecoevo.social

        @alexhaist This will be great fun to read in the blizzard tomorrow. Thanks!

        Oh, and “for neuer in al my lyf hadde I beholden so foule a creature.”

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        @danmccullough I wish you much joy of it! I love this sort of historical linguistic stroll.

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        • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

          @Gaptangle oh wow! I was thoroughly lost by then.

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          @alexhaist At one point I had learned a chunk of German and a tiny bit of French, and don't recall enough of either now to have a conversation but some of the old structure is still sitting rusty in my brain. Comparing all of them and recognizing sources of phrasing or spelling can help with that if I have the Braille. Screenreaders of course with their modern English pronunciation rules wreck it all lol.

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          • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

            This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

            In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

            https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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            @alexhaist by 1600 I'm reading aloud out of necessity.
            By 1300 I'm struggling.
            1200 I can get the gist of with the help of my linguistics degree.
            Past that it's all just German to me.

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            • dgold@goblin.technologyD dgold@goblin.technology

              @alexhaist

              Allas! I scholde neuer hauen icumen to þis toune of Wuluesfleete!

              I know I should be able to read the 1100, and while finding I can read it aloud, the meaning of it has entirely escaped me in my dotage.

              So 1200 is the last I can manage sensibly, and that much did I enjoy greatly.

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              @dgold @alexhaist Wuluesfleet.
              Now I'm wondering where the f in wolf came from. A little extra efficiency of speech? A borrowing of the p from Latin lupus? Whatever it is, I'm charmed by the idea that the word wolf used to be onomatopoeia.

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              • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                @alexhaist
                Thanks for posting! (I made it through 1400, with a smidgen of 1300’s.)

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                • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                  This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                  In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                  https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                  @alexhaist I'm fine as far as 1300, but further back is opaque. I find that those last couple of centuries, 1300 and 1400, become vastly more accessible if (a) written in modern orthography and (b) read aloud.

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                  • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                    This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                    In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                    https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                    @alexhaist Wow. I barely read the 1500 text 😅

                    My boyfriend however, an English philologist, recognised all the things he learned at the university! 😂

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                    • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                      This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                      In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                      https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                      #19

                      @alexhaist
                      1200 is more guessing than reading.
                      🧝 : "The languages of humans are many, and they change faster than a dragon flies."

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                      • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                        I can read back to about 1400, but I used to be able to puzzle through middle English in my 20s.

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                        @alexhaist I was comfortable until 14/1300, but quickly zoned out around 12/1100 unless I was *really* focusing.

                        Caveat that I’m German/English bilingual with decades old linguistics studies behind me.

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