"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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@benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.
Sure you can. You just need enough of the population to being committed for the change.
The state apparatus is a complex house of cards, and if people don't support it, it collapses.
People always forget that there's no true absolutist monarchy. The monarch is always supported by special interests, and they in turn by their special interests. If you lose the support of the army, or the railway workers, etc., then it's all over.
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Yeah, the ones with a ransom list can just drift away for all I care - they will never accomplish anything, and I'm done wasting my time on them.
But there are still lots of other people who don't vote for other reasons: they're busy, they haven't got the habit, they don't think they can make a difference, despair, etc. And I do not want us speaking shorthand and saying "fuck non-voters" to push any of those away...
Littterer A is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and soothes their precious feelings and otherwise validates their behavior
Litterer B is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and smashes their side mirror while other people cheer
Which will make the litterer think?
Your problem is your false assumption people who don't vote have a valid reason. They don't. They're just entitled lazy assholes
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@benroyce you are missing the big picture. There is no real push back at all right now. We the people seem to think the Dems will save us which is not the case. We are in the five alarm stage now and people keep talking about voting and laws. The president doesn't worry about laws as he does what he wants like making himself billions of dollars. I have no idea what to do and don't see any real push back. Minnesota pushed back for a while and it's over even though ICE is in the suburbs right now.
Do you vote?
If so good
That's what we need. Then we gradually iterate to better
Buy if you don't vote, go fuck yourself. You're the reason as much as MAGA why we are sliding to fascism
All these fucking lazy rationalizations do is serve various weaknesses and character failures that, in aggregate with other whiny losers, leads to fascism
That's it
VOTE
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Littterer A is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and soothes their precious feelings and otherwise validates their behavior
Litterer B is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and smashes their side mirror while other people cheer
Which will make the litterer think?
Your problem is your false assumption people who don't vote have a valid reason. They don't. They're just entitled lazy assholes
We disagree.
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We disagree.
@jztusk of course we do
So you go out there and validate and soothe the precious feelings of lazy entitled assholes and let me know how it goes. Good luck
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Do you vote?
If so good
That's what we need. Then we gradually iterate to better
Buy if you don't vote, go fuck yourself. You're the reason as much as MAGA why we are sliding to fascism
All these fucking lazy rationalizations do is serve various weaknesses and character failures that, in aggregate with other whiny losers, leads to fascism
That's it
VOTE
@benroyce @idahobucks Pauline Hanson would like an explanation please.
The existence/election of Fraser Anning might be a salutary example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning
Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US but still manages to elect and give power to utter bastards.
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@benroyce @idahobucks Pauline Hanson would like an explanation please.
The existence/election of Fraser Anning might be a salutary example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning
Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US but still manages to elect and give power to utter bastards.
I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
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Spent few days at Hungary in Nov 2924 (was swapping trains), and visited a state-sponsored exhibition adjacent to the city museum.
The city museum spent a lot of time talking about how the city population got massacred when the city was captured from Ottomans in the late 17th century.
Then you moved to the state-sponsored exhibition which outright mentioned that the massacre was good, actually, as it allowed large-scale infrastructure improvements.
Felt dirty just for being there.
@iju oof
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I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.
Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.
Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.
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... So me, I'm careful in my language. I'm happy to refer to the first type as "pretty prancing purity ponies", or "the folks who didn't vote against the Nazis", but I want to leaves an opening for the second type, and make it clear that they are welcome to join in.
Right. And the question is what is effective to achieve that
Validating bad behavior doesn't achieve that
We're talking about adults here
The idea that there is someone who goes "well i'm not going to vote because someone was mean on social media" is not a serious proposition
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@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.
Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.
Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.
Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
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Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
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Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
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then BLESS YOU
you are my hero
so why the fuck would you ever downplay voting in premature capitulation, which only helps MAGA
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@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now
And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
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@benroyce you are missing the big picture. There is no real push back at all right now. We the people seem to think the Dems will save us which is not the case. We are in the five alarm stage now and people keep talking about voting and laws. The president doesn't worry about laws as he does what he wants like making himself billions of dollars. I have no idea what to do and don't see any real push back. Minnesota pushed back for a while and it's over even though ICE is in the suburbs right now.
I'm not sure who you're listening to, but people I know are talking about how to evade the police and guerrilla warfare and such. The Dems are talking about voting and laws, but they're in on the scheme. Everyone else is discussing survival of economic collapse and police states. The reason there's no pushback is not because we won't, it's because we can't. We've been systematically hamstringed as a society for so long....
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@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
@FrancoisPrague the world could really use some of that.
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce I presume Uncle Volodea will make sure he falls from a balcony in the meantime not to disturb his mate Viktor
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@benroyce I live close to the .hu border and I know some Hungarians.
They are as stupid as Austrians, Muricans or Russians.Mark my words when it comes to elections.
@carbon_compound @benroyce there's really no need to paint just some nations with a broad brush. Stupidity is an ubiquitous human trait.
There's reasons why people in Eastern Germany, Hungary and Slovakia voted for hard right parties. But i feel like it is currently very visible demonstrated that hard right parties lead down a path that fails even harder on these reasons...
