1. Debian Developer resigns from the project in response to the recent vote to allow generative AI use within Debian.2.
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
This is not really a disagreement over ideology, it is a disagreement over ontology. A disagreement over the nature of reality. Either you believe that the output of an LLM should be treated as if it came from a mind (wrong and delusional) or you do not (correct and reality-based).
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@marcusxms If you feel compelled to respond with a point by point commentary like this then I really think you missed my point.
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
@mogul @msbellows @jik "If only those pesky folks with ethics and educated positions would just shut up." Fuck off, Bret.
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RE: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/117184183821339922
@petko true. Genuinely, thanks for taking a few seconds to think beyond the obvious.
If you have not already guessed: my style of moderation (in Reddit) very strongly discourages people from using language such as "fascist fucktards" to describe an entire community.
So, I might keep an eye on these two lists:
https://infosec.exchange/@cyberquixote/117181069908946276/favourites
https://infosec.exchange/@cyberquixote/117181069908946276/reblogs
Cc @davidgerard
@grahamperrin @petko ^-- this fucker server-hops to continue harassment past a block
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@AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik I'm not doubting that. But I'm also seeing people opposed to AI apply use and/or tolerance of AI as purity tests for projects, people, and purpose, and rejecting any association with anyone who fails their test because of the people off the deep end you're talking about.
@mogul @AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik this is easier to understand substituting AI for blood diamonds or something similar. This is not only about application (far more complex by itself than the purity thing, including security issues, future maintenance, brain damage...), but about data center impact, community damage, environmental damage (from carbon footprint to rare elements to local community harm), technooligarchy support, (main) use in military and surveillance, and contribution to likely the next big economical crash.
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@mogul @AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik this is easier to understand substituting AI for blood diamonds or something similar. This is not only about application (far more complex by itself than the purity thing, including security issues, future maintenance, brain damage...), but about data center impact, community damage, environmental damage (from carbon footprint to rare elements to local community harm), technooligarchy support, (main) use in military and surveillance, and contribution to likely the next big economical crash.
@mogul @AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik wow, the analogy with blood diamonds so much understates the problem.
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@jik Odd that everyone has jumped on the AI aspect of this when what I could see was a problem with civil discussions and debate in open source communities without resorting to personal insults and unprofessional behaviour (and even then, someone initially could be upset/frustrated, write something and then apologise later potentially if it’s not part of a pattern of behaviour).
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