Edit: can we get home EV chargers shared with other users?
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Edit: can we get home EV chargers shared with other users?
Trying to solve my own problem and also trying to find existing solutions online discourse.
Can you help me think about this or point at existing solutions/conversations?
Hypothesis:
1. for owners of plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV) without dedicated home/work charging it’s already hard to find available (convenient) charging stations. (Most cannot use the high speed DC chargers)
2. if gas prices continue to rise, it will encourage PHEV users to seek more charging over gasoline usage.
3. Most people with home EV chargers have lots of available time when they are not charging.
4. A potential solution would be to find a trusted way to connect home EV charging (particularly combined with home solar during the day) with PHEV users.What are the barriers? Is this model working anywhere?
Here in Denmark the most used model is Monta (https://monta.com/) which allow you to offer paid access to your home charger. You can set a fixed price, a cost based price and allow access only at certain hours of the day - basically you can tailor it to your own needs.
Monta takes a cut of all transactions, and you need to have an account with them in order to charge from the available chargers (there are both large commercial actors and private chargers). The app has a wallet for both paying for charging as well as receiving payment from other users that have used your charger.
You can charge for free on your own charger without any money going to and from Monta.
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Edit: can we get home EV chargers shared with other users?
Trying to solve my own problem and also trying to find existing solutions online discourse.
Can you help me think about this or point at existing solutions/conversations?
Hypothesis:
1. for owners of plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV) without dedicated home/work charging it’s already hard to find available (convenient) charging stations. (Most cannot use the high speed DC chargers)
2. if gas prices continue to rise, it will encourage PHEV users to seek more charging over gasoline usage.
3. Most people with home EV chargers have lots of available time when they are not charging.
4. A potential solution would be to find a trusted way to connect home EV charging (particularly combined with home solar during the day) with PHEV users.What are the barriers? Is this model working anywhere?
@lisavogtsf I don't have any links to give you so I know this response is likely of limited value, but I know for sure 100% that there were sites/apps like this when EVs and PHEVs were new and there was no charging network like there is today. Homeowners with charging stations posted their location and anyone with access to the site could drive up and charge for free.
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@lisavogtsf I don't have any links to give you so I know this response is likely of limited value, but I know for sure 100% that there were sites/apps like this when EVs and PHEVs were new and there was no charging network like there is today. Homeowners with charging stations posted their location and anyone with access to the site could drive up and charge for free.
@Karstan
Appreciate the content warning but I think this is helpful nonetheless. Thank you! -
Edit: can we get home EV chargers shared with other users?
Trying to solve my own problem and also trying to find existing solutions online discourse.
Can you help me think about this or point at existing solutions/conversations?
Hypothesis:
1. for owners of plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV) without dedicated home/work charging it’s already hard to find available (convenient) charging stations. (Most cannot use the high speed DC chargers)
2. if gas prices continue to rise, it will encourage PHEV users to seek more charging over gasoline usage.
3. Most people with home EV chargers have lots of available time when they are not charging.
4. A potential solution would be to find a trusted way to connect home EV charging (particularly combined with home solar during the day) with PHEV users.What are the barriers? Is this model working anywhere?
@lisavogtsf
I think a relatively easy solution could be to put chargers on every streetlight pole in residential areas with overnight street parking. The wiring and infrastructure is mostly there already. Some circuits would need augmented, but we aren't talking about L2 chargers here (for phevs). -
Edit: can we get home EV chargers shared with other users?
Trying to solve my own problem and also trying to find existing solutions online discourse.
Can you help me think about this or point at existing solutions/conversations?
Hypothesis:
1. for owners of plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV) without dedicated home/work charging it’s already hard to find available (convenient) charging stations. (Most cannot use the high speed DC chargers)
2. if gas prices continue to rise, it will encourage PHEV users to seek more charging over gasoline usage.
3. Most people with home EV chargers have lots of available time when they are not charging.
4. A potential solution would be to find a trusted way to connect home EV charging (particularly combined with home solar during the day) with PHEV users.What are the barriers? Is this model working anywhere?
In the UK, a company called Co-Charger lets you rent your charger to other people when you aren't using it.
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In the UK, a company called Co-Charger lets you rent your charger to other people when you aren't using it.
@curtzt Their latest social media seemed to be from 2022. So you know if they’re still a going concern? (I may just have missed it.)
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@lisavogtsf
I think a relatively easy solution could be to put chargers on every streetlight pole in residential areas with overnight street parking. The wiring and infrastructure is mostly there already. Some circuits would need augmented, but we aren't talking about L2 chargers here (for phevs).@neverbeaten I’m currently hoping to explore more social/internet solutions than actual rewiring. But good point!
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Here in Denmark the most used model is Monta (https://monta.com/) which allow you to offer paid access to your home charger. You can set a fixed price, a cost based price and allow access only at certain hours of the day - basically you can tailor it to your own needs.
Monta takes a cut of all transactions, and you need to have an account with them in order to charge from the available chargers (there are both large commercial actors and private chargers). The app has a wallet for both paying for charging as well as receiving payment from other users that have used your charger.
You can charge for free on your own charger without any money going to and from Monta.
@madsenandersc
That sounds like a great solution! And do you know if folks are taking advantage of it? It’s hard to tell from abroad if some of these are still going. -
@madsenandersc
That sounds like a great solution! And do you know if folks are taking advantage of it? It’s hard to tell from abroad if some of these are still going.It's hard to tell, to be honest. Prices are usually a bit lower than at commercial chargers, but availability and placement can be more hit-and-miss.
I know there is quite a number of Airbnb's, vacation houses and the like that uses it to offer charging for their guests, but I think that the scenario where you drive up to someone's driveway and plug in your car is less common.
In general we have a plethora of commercial chargers available in Denmark. I live in a small rural village, and there are 8 commercial destination chargers available, and I know that we'll have two fast chargers within a couple of months as well.
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It's hard to tell, to be honest. Prices are usually a bit lower than at commercial chargers, but availability and placement can be more hit-and-miss.
I know there is quite a number of Airbnb's, vacation houses and the like that uses it to offer charging for their guests, but I think that the scenario where you drive up to someone's driveway and plug in your car is less common.
In general we have a plethora of commercial chargers available in Denmark. I live in a small rural village, and there are 8 commercial destination chargers available, and I know that we'll have two fast chargers within a couple of months as well.
@madsenandersc Thank you — I had noticed that there was a whole discourse about Airbnb guests using EV charging and I was curious about that.
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@madsenandersc Thank you — I had noticed that there was a whole discourse about Airbnb guests using EV charging and I was curious about that.
Oh - discourse, how? I didn't know.
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Oh - discourse, how? I didn't know.
@madsenandersc
I’m trying to say that located some internet conversations about Airbnb hosts seeking to find a way to charge guests if they wanted to use an EV charger.I had less luck finding similar conversations for regular people with home EV chargers (not Airbnb hosts) wanting to find a way to share their chargers and be compensated.
But I haven’t researched extensively.
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@madsenandersc
I’m trying to say that located some internet conversations about Airbnb hosts seeking to find a way to charge guests if they wanted to use an EV charger.I had less luck finding similar conversations for regular people with home EV chargers (not Airbnb hosts) wanting to find a way to share their chargers and be compensated.
But I haven’t researched extensively.
@madsenandersc so I was using “discourse” to mean online discussion about the topic
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@madsenandersc so I was using “discourse” to mean online discussion about the topic
Ah - got it.
