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  3. Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed.

Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed.

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  • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

    Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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    #29

    @dangillmor Is that lega--oh nevermind. Nothing is illegal if you're rich in this stupid place.

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    • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

      Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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      #30

      @dangillmor
      If they do change the contract, you must have the legal right to OPT OUT correct? These are the kind of issues we need the CFPB for. Too bad the Dotard Regime destroyed it. ☠️

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      • andii@mas.toA andii@mas.to

        @dangillmor
        ... same way Brit gov't changing student loan payback rules ...

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        #31

        @Andii @dangillmor by being a government…?

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        • M modris@mastodon.ie

          @dangillmor This is why I always keep a printed copy of all contracts, even today.

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          #32

          @modris @dangillmor

          have you ever successfully used those printouts in a dispute?

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          • joriki@infosec.exchangeJ joriki@infosec.exchange

            @modris @dangillmor

            have you ever successfully used those printouts in a dispute?

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            #33

            @joriki @dangillmor Not with Tesla of course as I wouldn't have anything Tesla-related. I did have to threaten to use the printed one once so it all worked out.

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            • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

              Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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              #34

              @dangillmor @Lazarou
              Another reason why it is always a good idea to have contracts on actual paper. No fraud can simply change details on a printed contract you have in your bank or at home.

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              • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

                @aerofreak @dangillmor Can you cite a statute saying that?

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                @tknarr
                At least in Germany you sign a contract and that contract cannot be changed afterwards by one side only.

                @dangillmor

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                • tommorris@mastodon.socialT tommorris@mastodon.social

                  @Andii @dangillmor by being a government…?

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                  #36

                  @tommorris @dangillmor
                  No. But by ignoring legislation and common law.

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                  • M modris@mastodon.ie

                    @joriki @dangillmor Not with Tesla of course as I wouldn't have anything Tesla-related. I did have to threaten to use the printed one once so it all worked out.

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                    #37

                    @modris @dangillmor

                    that's a win

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                    • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                      Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                      #38

                      @dangillmor it was in response to criticism and NHTSA putting their foot down about it so they wanted to try to escape liability

                      Same reason autopilot used to disconnect before a crash

                      It won’t hold up in court lol

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