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  3. Anthropic spent billions of dollars to slice the spines off millions of books, including very rare ones.

Anthropic spent billions of dollars to slice the spines off millions of books, including very rare ones.

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  • salemslot@mastodon.socialS salemslot@mastodon.social

    @Dusty_Marc @dbattistella
    Actually, no. We're talking antiques, not random popular culture. Books that have no monetary value and are sold and bought by the kilo. Yet, they are not worthless, even if they fill inexpensive stores with low rent, low profit. You are perceiving this only via the financial value (like the slop producers are). You miss that these repositories are shared culture and people actually USE these. They are gone now, bought and destroyed by predators. We have been pillaged.

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    #40

    @SalemsLot @dbattistella antiques, ok. It's a tiny fraction of books existing. And when I watch the anthropic film, these books don't look like Guttenberg Bibles.

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    • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

      Anthropic spent billions of dollars to slice the spines off millions of books, including very rare ones.

      AI companies are purchasing large quantities of used and rare books and scanning their contents to train LLMs. They then turn the originals to pulp.

      The sum of human thought, digitized and shredded. Every book that gets scanned disappears from the physical world permanently.

      Books that survived wars, fires, and centuries of handling are being shredded so an AI can learn to write a better marketing email.

      #AI #Books #Culture #Civilization #Tech #LLMs

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      #41

      @dbattistella @5ciFiGirl when I heard that LLMs were going to destroy culture, I never imagined it would be this literal 😥

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      • craignicol@glasgow.socialC craignicol@glasgow.social

        @dbattistella @5ciFiGirl when I heard that LLMs were going to destroy culture, I never imagined it would be this literal 😥

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        #42

        @craignicol @dbattistella

        I only got through a few seconds of that video. it was too painful!!! 😱

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        • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

          This is the magnificent library Anthropic amassed, before destroying it because it gave them a legal copyright loophole.

          #Anthropic #AI #Books #Culture #Tech #LLMs #Civilization

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          #43

          @dbattistella Fact check: very likely.

          According to news.com.au -

          The slicing is "a video from Canada's ABTec Solutions demonstrates the process of cutting books' spines prior to scanning."

          The warehouse pic: "Court filings show a warehouse of books to be scanned by Anthropic. Picture: Washington Post"

          The original reporting seems to be from the great 404media, but it's paywalled.

          Technically, the books are scanned and "survive" on Anthropic data centers. But I highly doubt Anthropic or any "AI" company is going to try to resell, donate, etc. their digital copies, even having destroyed the original. So the world does lose a copy of the book without any gain for people who don't use Anthropic LLMs or IP.

          https://www.404media.co/ai-companies-are-buying-tons-of-old-books-because-theyre-free-of-ai-slop/

          https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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          • 5cifigirl@starbase80.wtf5 5cifigirl@starbase80.wtf

            @craignicol @dbattistella

            I only got through a few seconds of that video. it was too painful!!! 😱

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            #44

            @5ciFiGirl 😭 @craignicol

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            • dusty_marc@chaos.socialD dusty_marc@chaos.social

              @SalemsLot @dbattistella antiques, ok. It's a tiny fraction of books existing. And when I watch the anthropic film, these books don't look like Guttenberg Bibles.

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              #45

              @Dusty_Marc @dbattistella
              Its millions of rare and specific titles, often out of print, and probably the last in existence.
              Since you are again focusing on financial worth, i want to part with this conversation now. I dont agree on book burner tactics.

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              • ralocycleuse@eldritch.cafeR ralocycleuse@eldritch.cafe

                @dbattistella somehow it reminds me of nazis burning books in the 1930s

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                #46

                @ralocycleuse Even the Nazis didn't destroy all copies of rare books so that all of humanity would be denied their knowledge.

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                • 5cifigirl@starbase80.wtf5 5cifigirl@starbase80.wtf

                  @craignicol @dbattistella

                  I only got through a few seconds of that video. it was too painful!!! 😱

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                  #47

                  @5ciFiGirl @dbattistella it reminded me of this fantastic video though. Taking the spines off the Discworld books, which aren't rare, and creating a beautiful art that preserves the writing. If you need a timeline cleanse

                  https://youtu.be/oAdnN0TDZ5w

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                  • ericbono@beige.partyE ericbono@beige.party

                    @dbattistella

                    Yet we've known how to scan intact books for the past six decades.

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                    #48

                    @EricBono Yes, but if you destroy the book, no one can accuse you of having copied it, or demand payment for it.

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                    • oliverboehme@troet.cafeO oliverboehme@troet.cafe

                      @dbattistella That's nothing more than modern-day book burning.

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                      #49

                      @oliverboehme Yes, on a global scale

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                      • driusan@doomscroller.socialD driusan@doomscroller.social
                        @dbattistella@mstdn.ca There oughta be a law.
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                        #50

                        @driusan The laws never seem to apply to capitalists.

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                        • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                          This is the magnificent library Anthropic amassed, before destroying it because it gave them a legal copyright loophole.

                          #Anthropic #AI #Books #Culture #Tech #LLMs #Civilization

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                          #51

                          @dbattistella@mstdn.ca that's fucking despicable, makes me sick

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                          • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                            This is the magnificent library Anthropic amassed, before destroying it because it gave them a legal copyright loophole.

                            #Anthropic #AI #Books #Culture #Tech #LLMs #Civilization

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                            #52

                            @dbattistella shit 😞

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                            • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                              This is the magnificent library Anthropic amassed, before destroying it because it gave them a legal copyright loophole.

                              #Anthropic #AI #Books #Culture #Tech #LLMs #Civilization

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                              #53

                              @dbattistella Do you have a location of this warehouse?

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                              • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                                Anthropic spent billions of dollars to slice the spines off millions of books, including very rare ones.

                                AI companies are purchasing large quantities of used and rare books and scanning their contents to train LLMs. They then turn the originals to pulp.

                                The sum of human thought, digitized and shredded. Every book that gets scanned disappears from the physical world permanently.

                                Books that survived wars, fires, and centuries of handling are being shredded so an AI can learn to write a better marketing email.

                                #AI #Books #Culture #Civilization #Tech #LLMs

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                                #54

                                @dbattistella Money is utility and the only legitimate value is shareholder return.

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                                • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                                  @EricBono Yes, but if you destroy the book, no one can accuse you of having copied it, or demand payment for it.

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                                  #55

                                  @dbattistella

                                  Right, right, I didn't mean to leave out the sheer criminality aspect. The incompetence isn't a symptom. It's a tool.

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                                  • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                                    This is the magnificent library Anthropic amassed, before destroying it because it gave them a legal copyright loophole.

                                    #Anthropic #AI #Books #Culture #Tech #LLMs #Civilization

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                                    #56

                                    @dbattistella This picture doesn't make sense to me. If this is storage, why are all these boxes open? If this is processing, why are all these boxes open? None of them appear to be full.

                                    I would expect, if they are processing the books, that there would be most of them in storage, then some number would be open and being scanned. After the scanning, they are all just loose pages, so I would expect to see a discard bin somewhere, with not defined "book" in sight.

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                                    • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                                      Anthropic spent billions of dollars to slice the spines off millions of books, including very rare ones.

                                      AI companies are purchasing large quantities of used and rare books and scanning their contents to train LLMs. They then turn the originals to pulp.

                                      The sum of human thought, digitized and shredded. Every book that gets scanned disappears from the physical world permanently.

                                      Books that survived wars, fires, and centuries of handling are being shredded so an AI can learn to write a better marketing email.

                                      #AI #Books #Culture #Civilization #Tech #LLMs

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                                      #57

                                      @dbattistella yes and like so much other evil shit... we're letting them do it. #deathtoUSA

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                                      • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                                        This is the magnificent library Anthropic amassed, before destroying it because it gave them a legal copyright loophole.

                                        #Anthropic #AI #Books #Culture #Tech #LLMs #Civilization

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                                        #58

                                        @dbattistella@mstdn.ca i'll never forgive these companies

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                                        • dbattistella@mstdn.caD dbattistella@mstdn.ca

                                          Anthropic spent billions of dollars to slice the spines off millions of books, including very rare ones.

                                          AI companies are purchasing large quantities of used and rare books and scanning their contents to train LLMs. They then turn the originals to pulp.

                                          The sum of human thought, digitized and shredded. Every book that gets scanned disappears from the physical world permanently.

                                          Books that survived wars, fires, and centuries of handling are being shredded so an AI can learn to write a better marketing email.

                                          #AI #Books #Culture #Civilization #Tech #LLMs

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                                          #59

                                          @dbattistella Hmm, I feel like we've been warned about people who destroy important books before.

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