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  3. The fight about Trump's name on the Kennedy center bores me to death.

The fight about Trump's name on the Kennedy center bores me to death.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    @jwcph

    A lot of people are despondent. Saying things like "he will cancel the election"

    How exactly? Will he put a gun to Gov. Hochul of NY's head? (and at least 20 other governors?)

    "he will do marshal law"

    They tried that in MN. They don't have the man power to do it nationwide. They don't even have enough to take NYC, that's why ICE has not cracked down here like in MN.

    Middle class people throwing fits works.

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    @jwcph

    I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.

    MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      But, to the point of force, right down to the "and then they would arrest you" can someone explain *why* the name came down? Why doesn't Trump just ignore the court?

      The court orders the name must come down. Great. Very funny.

      But why listen. Why don't we get "oh OK I'll take it down" but then nothing happens?

      How does the power flow?

      That seems. little important to me maybe.

      2/2

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      @futurebird As I understand it, he is trying to appeal it (And tried to get a TRO to prevent it from being taken down until the appeal failed, I think?), so *might* be trying to "Steelman" their case by obliging this one time?

      Either that, or the people who had put it physically up are under risk of contempt of court (Or the justice department is, given that they are based on the ICE cases they keep losing.).

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        @jwcph

        I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.

        MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.

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        #9

        @jwcph

        "if we naurto run they can't catch us all"

        is very goofy but it's also true.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          @jwcph

          I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.

          MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.

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          @futurebird @jwcph

          I forget who keeps pointing this out--Thom Hartmann? Paul Krugman? Whoever, it's true that a stolen election needs to be plausible. Bush2 could only steal his election because it was actually close (after millions of people were disenfranchised in the red states, of course). This one won't be close by any measure. Flagrantly stealing it might be enough to rouse the white middle class from its privileged slumber.

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          • uair@autistics.lifeU uair@autistics.life

            @futurebird @jwcph

            I forget who keeps pointing this out--Thom Hartmann? Paul Krugman? Whoever, it's true that a stolen election needs to be plausible. Bush2 could only steal his election because it was actually close (after millions of people were disenfranchised in the red states, of course). This one won't be close by any measure. Flagrantly stealing it might be enough to rouse the white middle class from its privileged slumber.

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            @Uair @jwcph

            I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)

            This is how a lot of power works.

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              @Uair @jwcph

              I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)

              This is how a lot of power works.

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              @futurebird

              Yup. You can only make people do something if you go through the hassle of actually making them. It's the weakness of all totalitarian systems. They end up devoting all their energy on internal control and collapse against the pressure of the outside world.

              Free states always defeat slave states.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                @Uair @jwcph

                I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)

                This is how a lot of power works.

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                @Uair @jwcph

                The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.

                Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.

                I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.

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                • uair@autistics.lifeU uair@autistics.life

                  @futurebird

                  Yup. You can only make people do something if you go through the hassle of actually making them. It's the weakness of all totalitarian systems. They end up devoting all their energy on internal control and collapse against the pressure of the outside world.

                  Free states always defeat slave states.

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                  @Uair @futurebird This is true. I've found that through the study of history, economies of scale that use slavery have predicatably worse overall outcomes.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    @Uair @jwcph

                    The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.

                    Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.

                    I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.

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                    @futurebird

                    It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

                    Source of quote:

                    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/06/19/forgive/

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      @Uair @jwcph

                      I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)

                      This is how a lot of power works.

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                      @futurebird

                      I love this idea. It's like guerilla gardening, but easier to scale ♥️

                      @Uair @jwcph

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                      • uair@autistics.lifeU uair@autistics.life

                        @futurebird

                        It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

                        Source of quote:

                        https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/06/19/forgive/

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                        @Uair

                        The fascists have an instinct for this. But I think it's something that some of us fighting them need to teach ourselves and teach each other.

                        Rules and systems are created by the people that follow them. An election happens because people show up to vote and expect their votes to be counted. To stop the election you'd need to stop all of those people from doing that. Physically stop. It would be very messy and hard.

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          @Uair

                          The fascists have an instinct for this. But I think it's something that some of us fighting them need to teach ourselves and teach each other.

                          Rules and systems are created by the people that follow them. An election happens because people show up to vote and expect their votes to be counted. To stop the election you'd need to stop all of those people from doing that. Physically stop. It would be very messy and hard.

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                          @Uair

                          Apple and Google did not need to change it to "The Gulf of America" they could have just said "oh OK I understand it's called that now" and done nothing.

                          But they wanted to earn favor instead and thought the public would care less than the government.

                          Just don't listen. Are you in their army? Do you take their orders? Do you shine their boots?

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            @Uair @jwcph

                            The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.

                            Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.

                            I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.

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                            @futurebird @Uair @jwcph

                            We don't call them that here in Ontario but we have them all along the freeways and in parks in Toronto and Montreal, and now I am wondering how 'official' they actually are?

                            (Don't worry random rogue sign-maker if they aren't official. Secret is safe with me lol)

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                              @futurebird @Uair @jwcph

                              We don't call them that here in Ontario but we have them all along the freeways and in parks in Toronto and Montreal, and now I am wondering how 'official' they actually are?

                              (Don't worry random rogue sign-maker if they aren't official. Secret is safe with me lol)

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                              @rightsprung @Uair @jwcph

                              The sign makes it "official"

                              This sign cost $18

                              https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/116694679832313680

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