Re-upping this thread, because the stuff in post 4 is exactly, •exactly• what I have seen from my communities here in Minneapolis these last few weeks.
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@PattyHanson @lor
They are.@inthehands im assuming some of the negative comments are inauthentic, or from the dangerously stupid, but the only reason this incident happened at all is because the volunteer resistance effort, the only reason there are multiple videos are from other volunteers, this whole incident is a sign of serious resistance, not just showy protests that the authorities ignore
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@inthehands Better question is why folks don't know that it's happening.
@dalias @inthehands the organizing is happening on a local level, it’s not happening online
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@inthehands exactly. I think we’ve seen the Trump regime demonstrate they don’t care about their opponents rallying and protesting. But spontaneous action, even just blowing whistles, seems to scare the shit out of them.
@inthehands the Trump folks set about hiring the worst gun-nut folks who for ages fantasized about raising arms against their fellow citizens, and mostly hired them for that reason; but those folks are also really quite chickenshit, yet just imaginative enough to consider their chances if the crowds willing and determined enough to stand against them despite the explicit threats, armed with nothing but whistles, decided instead to show up for war.
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@inthehands the Trump folks set about hiring the worst gun-nut folks who for ages fantasized about raising arms against their fellow citizens, and mostly hired them for that reason; but those folks are also really quite chickenshit, yet just imaginative enough to consider their chances if the crowds willing and determined enough to stand against them despite the explicit threats, armed with nothing but whistles, decided instead to show up for war.
@mwyman
The problem with that is that it would open the doors to martial law, which is what Trump’s desperately been trying to foment. -
@mwyman
The problem with that is that it would open the doors to martial law, which is what Trump’s desperately been trying to foment.@inthehands oh, I’m not advocating it; I’m just pointing out why the chickenshit ICE folks start wigging out when the crowd arrives— they’re personally cowards, suddenly confronted by real personal courage, and while they’re excited to bust heads, they’re imaginative enough to know they stand little chance personally if that kind of amassed courage were to suddenly raise arms against them.
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@inthehands oh, I’m not advocating it; I’m just pointing out why the chickenshit ICE folks start wigging out when the crowd arrives— they’re personally cowards, suddenly confronted by real personal courage, and while they’re excited to bust heads, they’re imaginative enough to know they stand little chance personally if that kind of amassed courage were to suddenly raise arms against them.
@mwyman
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@mwyman
I do think it’s a wonder that the counter-ICE action has been so disciplined thus far.@inthehands I’m rather surprised there haven’t been the anarchist saboteurs that sometimes showed up and started fires during the George Floyd protests. Perhaps because the counter-actions have been so spontaneous, and locally organic, rather than giant groups marching and chanting, where outside folks can slide in and cause mischief. Or perhaps those saboteurs are now working for ICE.
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@inthehands I’m rather surprised there haven’t been the anarchist saboteurs that sometimes showed up and started fires during the George Floyd protests. Perhaps because the counter-actions have been so spontaneous, and locally organic, rather than giant groups marching and chanting, where outside folks can slide in and cause mischief. Or perhaps those saboteurs are now working for ICE.
@mwyman @inthehands Groups doing actions, whether they’re Tesla Takedowns or rapid response things, are deliberately watching for and stopping anyone who might try to smash a window or set a trash can on fire. They learned something from the protests after George Floyd’s death and the coverage thereof.
For a while last year some Internet leftists were Big Mad about this but the people actually doing the work didn’t care what they thought.
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I’ve seen a lot of posts from afar to the effect of “Why aren’t people in Minneapolis / the US doing anything?? When will they take action???”
…and, well, running with the metaphor from that thread, I guess maybe they’re looking at the top of the bread and wondering why it’s not golden brown already.
I want you to know, I want the world to know: never in my life, not even after the murder of George Floyd, have I seen the amount of sustained daily action I’ve seen here these last few weeks.
@inthehands
It just proves: "Who controls the media controls the minds."(J.Morrison)
There is a reason why media get bought/overtaken by Oligarchs (btw. everywhere)
If you don't get to know about resistance anywhere you feel powerless. It then starts with wording, framing... up to open obvious lies/fakes...
Another reason to keep promoting decentralised media like the fediverse.
...and to keep pushing famous people, journalism and officials rather leaving Oligarchcontrolled platforms.
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@lor @inthehands If only people were fighting back.
@PattyHanson
Literally what this post is about. TF? -
I’ve seen a lot of posts from afar to the effect of “Why aren’t people in Minneapolis / the US doing anything?? When will they take action???”
…and, well, running with the metaphor from that thread, I guess maybe they’re looking at the top of the bread and wondering why it’s not golden brown already.
I want you to know, I want the world to know: never in my life, not even after the murder of George Floyd, have I seen the amount of sustained daily action I’ve seen here these last few weeks.
@inthehands This is really good to hear.
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@gregatron5 @paul_ipv6
I only omit DC because I haven’t personally heard of people getting tips from organizers there. But I’m sure some here have! We love DC too!@inthehands @paul_ipv6 We have strong organization. I think maybe it’s a bit more underground here, though, as we don't have many of the protections citizens in states do, and our mayor seems to be acting like she wants to be appointed for the next term instead of being elected. There's definitely a lot going on here, though.
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@mwyman
The problem with that is that it would open the doors to martial law, which is what Trump’s desperately been trying to foment.@inthehands it's already here. that's the treason. military as law enforcement.
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@inthehands it's already here. that's the treason. military as law enforcement.
@bweller @mwyman I live in Minneapolis, and no, it is not already here. This is a dangerous misstatement.
Right now, we have a bunch of meatheads who are basically Biff’s sidekicks from Back to the Future running around with tear gas and handguns and a sense of impunity — which is of course •extremely• dangerous. But we do not have tanks in the streets pointing their turrets at protestors. We do not have marines conducting abductions, or fighter jets bombing civilians.
•That• is what the Trump admin wants. They’re trying (and so far failing) to create a context where that can actually happen.
As bad as this is, it can get so so so much worse.
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@bweller @mwyman I live in Minneapolis, and no, it is not already here. This is a dangerous misstatement.
Right now, we have a bunch of meatheads who are basically Biff’s sidekicks from Back to the Future running around with tear gas and handguns and a sense of impunity — which is of course •extremely• dangerous. But we do not have tanks in the streets pointing their turrets at protestors. We do not have marines conducting abductions, or fighter jets bombing civilians.
•That• is what the Trump admin wants. They’re trying (and so far failing) to create a context where that can actually happen.
As bad as this is, it can get so so so much worse.
@inthehands@hachyderm.io Did or did Trump not take control of the CA national guard?
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@bweller @mwyman I live in Minneapolis, and no, it is not already here. This is a dangerous misstatement.
Right now, we have a bunch of meatheads who are basically Biff’s sidekicks from Back to the Future running around with tear gas and handguns and a sense of impunity — which is of course •extremely• dangerous. But we do not have tanks in the streets pointing their turrets at protestors. We do not have marines conducting abductions, or fighter jets bombing civilians.
•That• is what the Trump admin wants. They’re trying (and so far failing) to create a context where that can actually happen.
As bad as this is, it can get so so so much worse.
@bweller @mwyman
Note that they tried to get there by federalizing the National Guard, and that scheme crashed and burned: the NG wasn’t having it, the public fought it hard, and the courts smacked them down so hard they don’t know which way is up anymore.They desperately need political cover for militarization, and they simply don’t have it yet. We need to make sure they don’t get it.
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@bweller @mwyman I live in Minneapolis, and no, it is not already here. This is a dangerous misstatement.
Right now, we have a bunch of meatheads who are basically Biff’s sidekicks from Back to the Future running around with tear gas and handguns and a sense of impunity — which is of course •extremely• dangerous. But we do not have tanks in the streets pointing their turrets at protestors. We do not have marines conducting abductions, or fighter jets bombing civilians.
•That• is what the Trump admin wants. They’re trying (and so far failing) to create a context where that can actually happen.
As bad as this is, it can get so so so much worse.
@inthehands @bweller @mwyman The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 specifically forbids deploying the military as civilian law enforcement. There are a few exceptions, but none of them apply to what's happening in Minnesota; ICE specifically caused the disruption that the administration is trying to use to justify the unlawful deployment. At this time, everything that Minnesota and its citizens are doing are reasonable acts of self-defense.
Whether that unlawful deployment constitutes treason is debatable, but it's surely an impeachable offense if Congress was capable of taking action and fulfilling their Constitutional duty to stop the continuous abuse of power.
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