#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty.
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@_elena If government’s around the world continue blocking access to what we use now behind ID verification, will Mastodon and other Fediverse services be considered illegal or unsafe?
We see it now with GrapheneOS and VPN’s and other devices without Apple and Google store services.
It makes me wonder what is in store for the open source platform and community.
@joao72 @_elena With government support instead of hindrance the big tech companies will be able to implement what they've been trying to forever. Yep.
Open Source fought its way in but things were new and most western governments worked for their people way more than now. Now corporations get everything and those protections that enabled open source are crumbling and the tech is finally here to lock us out completely.
Yes. We are all worried or we just don't know what's going on.
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@ozzelot @andre123 @_elena @EUCommission
That's sad how our EU leaders want to mimic US instead of offering another model. "We need tech billionaires". "We need out own hegemonic centralized platforms". "We need our own global surveillance solution".@Preuk @ozzelot @andre123 @_elena @EUCommission We demand our place in the sun? Again? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltpolitik)
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@joao72 this is precisely my fear and why I speak up against it. A very dangerous slippery slope and an existential threat to the Fediverse and the open web
@_elena I wish you luck and hope the right people hear you. Thank you.
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@_elena @EUCommission I don't even understand how this thing works. They claim to have no access to the user's identity data and that it stays local on the device. So why do they need you to scan your passport while they are countless ways to authenticate anonymously?
In a press report they say that the goal is to confirm you're humain without revealing who you are, yet in the very next sentence they say that they encourage a culture where users engage under their real names, WTF?@bladecoder @_elena @EUCommission Theoretically you can first confirm the loop with the device (that's the qr code stuff) and then use its camera to scan the scan code on your id document. Then this could be looked up in the standard way (probably varying degrees of access to your government's API) to get "temporary" access to your ID info. Then it can do whatever comparing it needs via face scan, which doesn't work well, to validate the person and device together....
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@bladecoder @_elena @EUCommission Theoretically you can first confirm the loop with the device (that's the qr code stuff) and then use its camera to scan the scan code on your id document. Then this could be looked up in the standard way (probably varying degrees of access to your government's API) to get "temporary" access to your ID info. Then it can do whatever comparing it needs via face scan, which doesn't work well, to validate the person and device together....
@bladecoder @_elena @EUCommission Then you issue certificates to the device.
There may be some way that they could to the talking to the government with the device but I don't know how they'd establish firm enough trust. That's one reason why they think we shouldn't be able to run our own stuff on our own devices.
At any rate, once the cert lives on the device you can just let the id info on the server get discarded with memory/session cleanup. WE still have to trust that they're doing so.
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
haha, thats entertaining to watch. want an invite to freiburg.social? show me your selfpainted passport. only valid in rainbow colors and if you have kids, its a must they have created it for you ;)))
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena @EUCommission What a freaking clown show
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena What does the 'W' stand for? World? West? Wuppertal? (train logo!)
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena @EUCommission Es scheint als wäre WSocial für die EU-Kommission ein Fortschritt, während hier bei Mastodon niemand nachvollziehen kann, warum die nicht einfach Allin gehen und konsequent das Fediverse pushen. Wahrscheinlich weil der Step für die X- und Bluesky-Menschen zu groß erscheint.
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena @EUCommission So, if you don't have an Android(like) OS on your phone/tablet/TV or iOS on your phone/iPad OS on your tablet you cannot get a Wsocial account?
But you should be able to use a Eurosky account interact with to Wsocial users, right? As both use the AT Protocol which includes federation functionality.
And Eurosky only requires an email address to register an account.
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena @EUCommission lol, fighting against
age verification or identity verification, but also asking passport & id verification for Europe apps at the name of decentralization. 
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@_elena What does the 'W' stand for? World? West? Wuppertal? (train logo!)
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena @EUCommission W referred as wicked social?
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@EUCommission @_elena after reading about this I just opened a Eurosky "MU" account instead. Will stay on Mastodon but may migrate my BlueSky account to MU: https://mu.social/profile/daveeveritt.eurosky.social
@cubeExplorer @EUCommission @_elena And in theory you should be able to use a Eurosky account and MU to connect and interact with Wsocial users?
Both use the AT Protocol.
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#WSocial: "We want to promote European digital sovereignty. We're made in Europe, for the world!"
@EUCommission: "A strong Europe needs independent digital spaces. Today, we’re expanding our presence to W."
W Social: "You need to verify your identity. Please download our #WIdentity app from Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store"
No further comment necessary.
Check for yourselves (04:30): https://inv.nadeko.net/Vcq4MiabpEQ
@_elena @EUCommission
> "No further comment necessary."The irony stings: 'Digital Sovereignty' tied to foreign app stores, and 'security' meaning surveillance.
These contradictions do demand deeper explanation. -
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