Pixelfed bans AI generated contributions.
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@pixelfed @abhiyantrik Maybe slower progress isn't a problem if it means the result behaves as intended the first time around, and faster progress in the short term, followed by having to fix unknown bugs (many of which have already been fixed but are just being dug up by LLMs) results in slower progress in the long run. :3c@pixelfed @abhiyantrik Also, LLMs aren't AI. ;3
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
alex i glanced at your profile
you're blind?
you're not the first blind person i've met who defends AI
and i understand it. it must be such a boon for those with vision impairments
is it this that drives your position?
i think AI, if done ethically, can be a great benefit for people with disabilities
but alex, you have to understand: pushing the current AI manifestation *in general* is not the same issue. be more nuanced
@benroyce That and also that me and my other friends and even people that I know through Blind Information Technology Solutions (BITS) struggle to code by hand and thus AI helps us get good quality code done and thus we are making accessible programs. Also we're not just one shot prompting everything, some of our stuff we've worked on for weeks and some repos have like hundreds of tests, and not just that, we test things to make sure everything is perfect, and if something's off, we go back to the Claude window and tell it what's wrong, and what's missing or what it needs to do, even researching documentation for the NVDA screen reader and libraries that help programs interact with the screen reader APIs, and it does really well because we take the time to make it work. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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go back to twitter, alex. we don't want techbros huffing their AI hype around here
@benroyce It's amazing how the same fucking guy who's over here desperately trying to pretend like Ai isn't purely evil shit and how this garbage isn't run by fascists ALSO is elsewhere talking about how Substack is his blog platform of choice. Same fucking guy.
I mean, what's his encore, singing the praises of Omarchy?
These fucking people.
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@benroyce That and also that me and my other friends and even people that I know through Blind Information Technology Solutions (BITS) struggle to code by hand and thus AI helps us get good quality code done and thus we are making accessible programs. Also we're not just one shot prompting everything, some of our stuff we've worked on for weeks and some repos have like hundreds of tests, and not just that, we test things to make sure everything is perfect, and if something's off, we go back to the Claude window and tell it what's wrong, and what's missing or what it needs to do, even researching documentation for the NVDA screen reader and libraries that help programs interact with the screen reader APIs, and it does really well because we take the time to make it work. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
that's wonderful
a suggestion for you:
do not champion AI
champion AI for people with disabilities
if you champion AI in general, you're going to be met with venom. because, in general, AI is terrible
just last week i got in a similar argument:
https://mastodon.social/@benroyce/117322597908342619
the blind guy wound up agreeing with me by the end of the back and forth
it's about nuance: bad in general, good in niches
alex: just voice the nuance
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@Hyperlynx Well, it doesn't matter if we use it, we just have to fight for on device AI, but until that happens, we use what we can.
@Hyperlynx @alexchapman Sadly, these corporations are fighting tooth and nail to prevent on-device LLMs because they can't profit on them.
- They've jacked up GPU and RAM prices so nobody can build a powerful enough machine to run the biggest LLMs.
- They're spewing out all kinds of propaganda stories to try to get the government to outlaw local LLMs.
So until we take the corporations down, most folks won't be able to run sufficiently useful LLMs locally.
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
that's wonderful
a suggestion for you:
do not champion AI
champion AI for people with disabilities
if you champion AI in general, you're going to be met with venom. because, in general, AI is terrible
just last week i got in a similar argument:
https://mastodon.social/@benroyce/117322597908342619
the blind guy wound up agreeing with me by the end of the back and forth
it's about nuance: bad in general, good in niches
alex: just voice the nuance
@benroyce Yeah, and that's why devs outright banning AI/agentic code contributions is not a good thing because people like me and those in BITS that would want to contribute accessibility fixes, because yes blind people can access visual apps like Pixelfed and obviously Instagram, because of alt text and the audio in videos, and Loops has an alt text feature for videos, but for example I wanted to fix the top bar icons in the Loops app, where it wouldn't say back on some screens but just select with VoiceOver and nothing would be said, I hope that's fixed in the next update, but if AI contributions weren't banned, I could literally describe what the issues is, explain to the AI that it needs to add an accessibility label for that icon, and it would go and do that, then I could test it, commit and push, then do a PR. People need to see those uses rather than going AI bad, AI banned. Yeah there's some disadvantages, like people who will one shot prompt something and submit it claiming to fix something and all they've done is made it worse or added unneeded nonsense, and also the whole debacle with datacenters, but people need to see the positives, like how its allowing blind people and those with cognitive disabilities that mean the traditional coding process is extremely difficult or impossible, to make cool things and fix issues in other places. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@Hyperlynx @alexchapman Sadly, these corporations are fighting tooth and nail to prevent on-device LLMs because they can't profit on them.
- They've jacked up GPU and RAM prices so nobody can build a powerful enough machine to run the biggest LLMs.
- They're spewing out all kinds of propaganda stories to try to get the government to outlaw local LLMs.
So until we take the corporations down, most folks won't be able to run sufficiently useful LLMs locally.
@tk I get that, but there's also the fact that there are blind people and also people who have cognitive disabilities that make the traditional coding process really difficult or in some cases impossible, and thus AI has helped them bring their dreams into reality. This is why I'm against the whole banning of AI contributions, as someone might wanna contribute an accessibility fix, but can't due to the fact they could only get it done with a coding agent. @Hyperlynx
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@benroyce Yeah, and that's why devs outright banning AI/agentic code contributions is not a good thing because people like me and those in BITS that would want to contribute accessibility fixes, because yes blind people can access visual apps like Pixelfed and obviously Instagram, because of alt text and the audio in videos, and Loops has an alt text feature for videos, but for example I wanted to fix the top bar icons in the Loops app, where it wouldn't say back on some screens but just select with VoiceOver and nothing would be said, I hope that's fixed in the next update, but if AI contributions weren't banned, I could literally describe what the issues is, explain to the AI that it needs to add an accessibility label for that icon, and it would go and do that, then I could test it, commit and push, then do a PR. People need to see those uses rather than going AI bad, AI banned. Yeah there's some disadvantages, like people who will one shot prompt something and submit it claiming to fix something and all they've done is made it worse or added unneeded nonsense, and also the whole debacle with datacenters, but people need to see the positives, like how its allowing blind people and those with cognitive disabilities that mean the traditional coding process is extremely difficult or impossible, to make cool things and fix issues in other places. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
but alex do you see how if you led with this angle instead of defending AI *in general* you would have a nicer time here?
because you have a point
AI *in general* fucking sucks
i don't know the answer for people with disabilities. but it has to be something that doesn't feed a dehumanizing theft machine
the problem is the corporations. they are ruining AI
running protein folding or cosmology simulations is not the problem
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
but alex do you see how if you led with this angle instead of defending AI *in general* you would have a nicer time here?
because you have a point
AI *in general* fucking sucks
i don't know the answer for people with disabilities. but it has to be something that doesn't feed a dehumanizing theft machine
the problem is the corporations. they are ruining AI
running protein folding or cosmology simulations is not the problem
@benroyce I tried and some people threw the oh you're using disability to defend AI BS at me, so I came back at them, and they didn't like it. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@benroyce I tried and some people threw the oh you're using disability to defend AI BS at me, so I came back at them, and they didn't like it. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
in another thread? because i don't see that here
i understand the psychology of that. you don't want to cite the people with disabilities angle because then it gets personal, and that hurts
but if you remove that angle, you wind up defending something that, objectively, is terrible
i admit AI helps blind people
now you have to admit AI sucks in general
or... you get all this disgust dumped on you. that's a hard road man
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
in another thread? because i don't see that here
i understand the psychology of that. you don't want to cite the people with disabilities angle because then it gets personal, and that hurts
but if you remove that angle, you wind up defending something that, objectively, is terrible
i admit AI helps blind people
now you have to admit AI sucks in general
or... you get all this disgust dumped on you. that's a hard road man
@benroyce Yeah I just think people need to calm down on the hate, yeah the way AI is ran isn't good but holy hell people are taking their disgust too far. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@tk I get that, but there's also the fact that there are blind people and also people who have cognitive disabilities that make the traditional coding process really difficult or in some cases impossible, and thus AI has helped them bring their dreams into reality. This is why I'm against the whole banning of AI contributions, as someone might wanna contribute an accessibility fix, but can't due to the fact they could only get it done with a coding agent. @Hyperlynx
@Hyperlynx @alexchapman Why couldn't they file a feature request that a human can fulfill?
Just another example of LLMs destroying community.
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@Hyperlynx @alexchapman Why couldn't they file a feature request that a human can fulfill?
Just another example of LLMs destroying community.
@tk Because us blind people shouldn't be excluded from coding because we struggle to manually do it. @Hyperlynx
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@benroyce Yeah I just think people need to calm down on the hate, yeah the way AI is ran isn't good but holy hell people are taking their disgust too far. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
the fediverse is full of programmers who resent the dehumanization and mediocrity that AI at their jobs has created. this is a different experience than yours. the fediverse allows them to dump their frustrations. so when you come here and defend AI *in general* you're just setting yourself up for a drama wave of attacks
but i also understand if you say it's good for blind people it's hurtful to get clapback
i don't know man
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@tk Because us blind people shouldn't be excluded from coding because we struggle to manually do it. @Hyperlynx
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
the fediverse is full of programmers who resent the dehumanization and mediocrity that AI at their jobs has created. this is a different experience than yours. the fediverse allows them to dump their frustrations. so when you come here and defend AI *in general* you're just setting yourself up for a drama wave of attacks
but i also understand if you say it's good for blind people it's hurtful to get clapback
i don't know man
@benroyce I'm not the only one who defends AI, there's a whole load of us blind people on the Fediverse that defend the positive aspects of AI, and all of us should be able to do that without getting hate for it. Just ask the BITS people, or any of the people I've boosted that talk about the amazing things they've been able to accomplish thanks to the rise of coding agents. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@tk That's your opinion, but not the facts. The fact of the matter is that code is generated, we then test it and iterate on it until its perfect, and then we make a release. @Hyperlynx
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@benroyce I'm not the only one who defends AI, there's a whole load of us blind people on the Fediverse that defend the positive aspects of AI, and all of us should be able to do that without getting hate for it. Just ask the BITS people, or any of the people I've boosted that talk about the amazing things they've been able to accomplish thanks to the rise of coding agents. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
i'm not going to attack you (although above i mocked you before i glanced at your profile and remembered the other blind person i got in this argument with, sorry for that)
but i am going to continue to attack AI
i am not an omnipotent being, and i don't know the solution for here and now
but the solution should probably be something like local AI rather than feeding vile corporations. they are turning AI into a monster
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
i'm not going to attack you (although above i mocked you before i glanced at your profile and remembered the other blind person i got in this argument with, sorry for that)
but i am going to continue to attack AI
i am not an omnipotent being, and i don't know the solution for here and now
but the solution should probably be something like local AI rather than feeding vile corporations. they are turning AI into a monster
@benroyce I wish local AI was as capable as Opus 5.5 and GPT 6 Sol, but the BITS people have tried local models and they can just about do basic stuff, but when they try to do accessibility APIs that's where it falls apart, and thus we are stuck using the corporate cloud models. And I forgive you for earlier. But at some point I am gonna do a thing that people can read whenever they wanna throw their hateful crap, and then I'm just gonna say, here's why you should see the positives, read this thing I wrote to explain it all, and if they don't wanna do that, that's on them. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@benroyce I wish local AI was as capable as Opus 5.5 and GPT 6 Sol, but the BITS people have tried local models and they can just about do basic stuff, but when they try to do accessibility APIs that's where it falls apart, and thus we are stuck using the corporate cloud models. And I forgive you for earlier. But at some point I am gonna do a thing that people can read whenever they wanna throw their hateful crap, and then I'm just gonna say, here's why you should see the positives, read this thing I wrote to explain it all, and if they don't wanna do that, that's on them. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
it's a complex topic, full of emotion. i get it. well met! well, not really well met, due to my mocking. so like in a bar where two guys yell at each other then smile and share a drink i guess
but, i'm sorry alex: fuck AI *in general*
i understand your angle though, and i appreciate you
