Pixelfed bans AI generated contributions.
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@benroyce Yeah, and that's why devs outright banning AI/agentic code contributions is not a good thing because people like me and those in BITS that would want to contribute accessibility fixes, because yes blind people can access visual apps like Pixelfed and obviously Instagram, because of alt text and the audio in videos, and Loops has an alt text feature for videos, but for example I wanted to fix the top bar icons in the Loops app, where it wouldn't say back on some screens but just select with VoiceOver and nothing would be said, I hope that's fixed in the next update, but if AI contributions weren't banned, I could literally describe what the issues is, explain to the AI that it needs to add an accessibility label for that icon, and it would go and do that, then I could test it, commit and push, then do a PR. People need to see those uses rather than going AI bad, AI banned. Yeah there's some disadvantages, like people who will one shot prompt something and submit it claiming to fix something and all they've done is made it worse or added unneeded nonsense, and also the whole debacle with datacenters, but people need to see the positives, like how its allowing blind people and those with cognitive disabilities that mean the traditional coding process is extremely difficult or impossible, to make cool things and fix issues in other places. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
but alex do you see how if you led with this angle instead of defending AI *in general* you would have a nicer time here?
because you have a point
AI *in general* fucking sucks
i don't know the answer for people with disabilities. but it has to be something that doesn't feed a dehumanizing theft machine
the problem is the corporations. they are ruining AI
running protein folding or cosmology simulations is not the problem
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
but alex do you see how if you led with this angle instead of defending AI *in general* you would have a nicer time here?
because you have a point
AI *in general* fucking sucks
i don't know the answer for people with disabilities. but it has to be something that doesn't feed a dehumanizing theft machine
the problem is the corporations. they are ruining AI
running protein folding or cosmology simulations is not the problem
@benroyce I tried and some people threw the oh you're using disability to defend AI BS at me, so I came back at them, and they didn't like it. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@benroyce I tried and some people threw the oh you're using disability to defend AI BS at me, so I came back at them, and they didn't like it. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
in another thread? because i don't see that here
i understand the psychology of that. you don't want to cite the people with disabilities angle because then it gets personal, and that hurts
but if you remove that angle, you wind up defending something that, objectively, is terrible
i admit AI helps blind people
now you have to admit AI sucks in general
or... you get all this disgust dumped on you. that's a hard road man
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
in another thread? because i don't see that here
i understand the psychology of that. you don't want to cite the people with disabilities angle because then it gets personal, and that hurts
but if you remove that angle, you wind up defending something that, objectively, is terrible
i admit AI helps blind people
now you have to admit AI sucks in general
or... you get all this disgust dumped on you. that's a hard road man
@benroyce Yeah I just think people need to calm down on the hate, yeah the way AI is ran isn't good but holy hell people are taking their disgust too far. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@tk I get that, but there's also the fact that there are blind people and also people who have cognitive disabilities that make the traditional coding process really difficult or in some cases impossible, and thus AI has helped them bring their dreams into reality. This is why I'm against the whole banning of AI contributions, as someone might wanna contribute an accessibility fix, but can't due to the fact they could only get it done with a coding agent. @Hyperlynx
@Hyperlynx @alexchapman Why couldn't they file a feature request that a human can fulfill?
Just another example of LLMs destroying community.
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@Hyperlynx @alexchapman Why couldn't they file a feature request that a human can fulfill?
Just another example of LLMs destroying community.
@tk Because us blind people shouldn't be excluded from coding because we struggle to manually do it. @Hyperlynx
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@benroyce Yeah I just think people need to calm down on the hate, yeah the way AI is ran isn't good but holy hell people are taking their disgust too far. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
the fediverse is full of programmers who resent the dehumanization and mediocrity that AI at their jobs has created. this is a different experience than yours. the fediverse allows them to dump their frustrations. so when you come here and defend AI *in general* you're just setting yourself up for a drama wave of attacks
but i also understand if you say it's good for blind people it's hurtful to get clapback
i don't know man
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@tk Because us blind people shouldn't be excluded from coding because we struggle to manually do it. @Hyperlynx
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
the fediverse is full of programmers who resent the dehumanization and mediocrity that AI at their jobs has created. this is a different experience than yours. the fediverse allows them to dump their frustrations. so when you come here and defend AI *in general* you're just setting yourself up for a drama wave of attacks
but i also understand if you say it's good for blind people it's hurtful to get clapback
i don't know man
@benroyce I'm not the only one who defends AI, there's a whole load of us blind people on the Fediverse that defend the positive aspects of AI, and all of us should be able to do that without getting hate for it. Just ask the BITS people, or any of the people I've boosted that talk about the amazing things they've been able to accomplish thanks to the rise of coding agents. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@tk That's your opinion, but not the facts. The fact of the matter is that code is generated, we then test it and iterate on it until its perfect, and then we make a release. @Hyperlynx
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@benroyce I'm not the only one who defends AI, there's a whole load of us blind people on the Fediverse that defend the positive aspects of AI, and all of us should be able to do that without getting hate for it. Just ask the BITS people, or any of the people I've boosted that talk about the amazing things they've been able to accomplish thanks to the rise of coding agents. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
i'm not going to attack you (although above i mocked you before i glanced at your profile and remembered the other blind person i got in this argument with, sorry for that)
but i am going to continue to attack AI
i am not an omnipotent being, and i don't know the solution for here and now
but the solution should probably be something like local AI rather than feeding vile corporations. they are turning AI into a monster
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@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
i'm not going to attack you (although above i mocked you before i glanced at your profile and remembered the other blind person i got in this argument with, sorry for that)
but i am going to continue to attack AI
i am not an omnipotent being, and i don't know the solution for here and now
but the solution should probably be something like local AI rather than feeding vile corporations. they are turning AI into a monster
@benroyce I wish local AI was as capable as Opus 5.5 and GPT 6 Sol, but the BITS people have tried local models and they can just about do basic stuff, but when they try to do accessibility APIs that's where it falls apart, and thus we are stuck using the corporate cloud models. And I forgive you for earlier. But at some point I am gonna do a thing that people can read whenever they wanna throw their hateful crap, and then I'm just gonna say, here's why you should see the positives, read this thing I wrote to explain it all, and if they don't wanna do that, that's on them. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@benroyce I wish local AI was as capable as Opus 5.5 and GPT 6 Sol, but the BITS people have tried local models and they can just about do basic stuff, but when they try to do accessibility APIs that's where it falls apart, and thus we are stuck using the corporate cloud models. And I forgive you for earlier. But at some point I am gonna do a thing that people can read whenever they wanna throw their hateful crap, and then I'm just gonna say, here's why you should see the positives, read this thing I wrote to explain it all, and if they don't wanna do that, that's on them. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@alexchapman @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
it's a complex topic, full of emotion. i get it. well met! well, not really well met, due to my mocking. so like in a bar where two guys yell at each other then smile and share a drink i guess
but, i'm sorry alex: fuck AI *in general*
i understand your angle though, and i appreciate you
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@alexchapman So, how do you know how many Pixelfed users wanted the project to stop using AI?
Being anti-AI is not nonsense. Its use is full of ethical issues that people like you don't seem to give a shit about, but many people just like me do give a shit about.
@chadmccullough @alexchapman @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed AI does have it's uses, i have used it for things i haven't been able to doo before, like having it describe immages and other things
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@benroyce Yeah I just think people need to calm down on the hate, yeah the way AI is ran isn't good but holy hell people are taking their disgust too far. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@chadmccullough @alexchapman @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed AI does have it's uses, i have used it for things i haven't been able to doo before, like having it describe immages and other things
@J3317 Yep, that as well, my Meta glasses are extremely useful for that, especially if I am in an unfamiliar area, or I'm in a shop and trying to browse the isles, and even just reading signs on walls. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@J3317 Yep, that as well, my Meta glasses are extremely useful for that, especially if I am in an unfamiliar area, or I'm in a shop and trying to browse the isles, and even just reading signs on walls. @chadmccullough @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
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@Legit_Spaghetti The infrastructure isn't killing anything, that's just a lie made by these people who are delusional and think extremist things like oh this is run by fascists and these people are trying to be the next version of Hitlar, like come the fuck on people, stop indulging in your dumb delusions for once. @pixelfed
@alexchapman @Legit_Spaghetti @pixelfed Taking a "no entry" sign as both an insult and an invitation.
Bringining out the same three arguments at length.
You AI boosters are fucking *tedious*. And utterly predictable.
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@alexchapman @Legit_Spaghetti @pixelfed Taking a "no entry" sign as both an insult and an invitation.
Bringining out the same three arguments at length.
You AI boosters are fucking *tedious*. And utterly predictable.
@helge OK then, thanks for that pointless reply lol. @Legit_Spaghetti @pixelfed
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@alexchapman So something made and controlled by fascists has nothing to do with fascism? @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed
@sackofbones @cuirass_entertainment @pixelfed Well, that was an easy block. Reading replies he gave Ben, "I'm immune to reports, I run my own instance" is very Alt-Right posturing. Dude, FediBlock. Good luck yelling in the Phantom Zone. Spinning up a new instance and domain wastes only your money.
I understand people with blindness have a different perception of AI because natural language processing before and after is a huge difference, and calling for it to be ahut off entirely means going back to crappier tools. It genuinely sucks, despite AI being essentially a fascist Speak and Spell.
But disability or not, damn, what an asshole.
