US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany.
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@Strandjunker I spent three years working in Germany (not in the military) in the early 1990s, and was surprised at how many Germans did not like my presence because they didn't like our military being there. There were bars and restaurants who would not admit me because they had a "no Americans" policy. I'm sure there is no sadness on the part of many Germans that our troops are no longer "occupying" their country - which was also a phrase I heard while there.
@rebelyn2 @Strandjunker Yeah. Because it was post-cold war fashionable to do so. That posture has shifted considerably with Russia once again as a threat. Night & day difference. You're comparing apples to oranges.
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@Strandjunker the decline of the empire
@BlizzardA @Strandjunker We're not an empire. Not sure why people keep glitching on this. I can only presume it's because people don't know the actual definition of what an empire is.
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@Strandjunker OTOH, perhaps the US crippling their ability to operate globally while the orange idiot is the president is the best thing for the world right now.
@aiuto @Strandjunker Not even close. The other two interested & capable contenders for 'world leader' are Russia & China. Whatever your beef is with the USA, you're not going to see a better world order emerge under either of them. Quite the opposite, in fact. We'd see imperialism re-embraced & nuclear enabled. Only a complete moron would see that as preferable.
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@Strandjunker well, it may harm US business interests, which is certainly tied strongly to the US state, but it will not hurt US non-ruling-class people.
@kdwarn @Strandjunker Yes, it will. Our entire economy is lynchpinned by our superpower status. The value of the dollar internationally tanking would impact every American.
Most ESPECIALLY the lower & middle class. Upper class has their bets hedged in multiple fiat currencies. The rest of us? Not so much. The depression would seem downright bright & prosperous by comparison. -
@Strandjunker Ethics by proxy: American defense roots at home, lessens afar.
And war should be the LAST ethic.
@numodular @Strandjunker Not even a cohesive position. Try restating or reframing the arguement for clarity. What you posted comes off as a pure vibes position.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
So many Americans are so fucking ignorant
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@Strandjunker A similar problem may happen with Costa Rica. We're fucked.
@micdan @Strandjunker We are only fucked if we passively let things happen. We must be willing participants in our own destruction, for the moment at least.
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@Strandjunker Europe will be a safer place without US forces. The fewer the better.
@colinux @Strandjunker BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Are you for real? Are you software prompted to put up things like that? Nobody with any geopolitical familiarity would post such a thing. Not with Russia breathing down the collective EU neck.
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@geonz @Strandjunker Kind of hard to frame his acts as rational under nearly any other explanation. Well other than senile dementia, perhaps.
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@alikatze @Strandjunker the US President is the commander in chief of their armed forces. In a way, Trump *is* the US armed forces.
@mu @alikatze @Strandjunker A fair assesment. He is indeed. His dismissal of the entire JCS last year I could only view with dismay. That being said, he's going to face a wave of officer resignations if he wanders too far from acceptable lanes. Instilling loyalties in their place would make it true in a more literal way though.
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@Strandjunker isn't germany the default spot for the injured to go to
@grumpasaurus @Strandjunker One of three. There's others in Japan and Australia, last I checked. Internationally speaking of course.
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@Strandjunker Getting American troops out of Europe is good news. Getting them to leave of their own will is even better.
@2legged @Strandjunker it would be nice if he took them all home rather just 10% or so !
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@Strandjunker Oh, don't worry: The Germans don't grasp it either. In the news they had quite a large bullshit bingo why this is bad for Germany (something about economy, maintaining workplaces, other foo).
Shifting the view to "having soldier from someone who might be your enemy tomorrow already in your land" is way to complex to get. They really do believe in dangers to "the economy"....
️@jesterchen @Strandjunker Eh, spare us a little faith if you could, please. We're working on getting him out of play. Even under a worst case scenario though we're talking at least a decade to weaponize our international assets in such a way to become an actual threat. You can afford to give us a little working room to see if we can turn the corner here.
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Pretty sure there aren't a lot of Germans fretting about fewer American soldiers on their soil.
@starraven @Strandjunker Only the ones paying attention to russia. Maybe some of the far right with links back to Moscow might share that position. But that's about it.
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@rupert We will have to disagree about that. Removing the troops helps to detach Europe from the American war machine after 80 years. It's a historic step forward.
@2legged @rupert @Strandjunker You wont be given any such luxury of choice when the russian war machine moves in to take it's place. Go ask Poland. They remember, even if you do not. That's why they work so furiously to make up for lost defensive time. Putins ambitions are specific. Anything he can't have or doesn't want to own in Europe he wants to leave in ashes & flames. Russian resentments are deeply entrenched across many generations. Only a fool opens his/her door to it.
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@starraven @Strandjunker Only the ones paying attention to russia. Maybe some of the far right with links back to Moscow might share that position. But that's about it.
Russia is no longer a credible threat to Europe. Their only real power is nuclear, because they cannot fill the ranks of soldiers to occupy territory any more. Ukraine alone has all but decimated their land army.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
@Strandjunker That doesn't harm the United States. It harms the regime that controls the US, and I don't just mean the current one. But eliminating the US military capability to perform "operations" benefits us greatly.
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@kdwarn @Strandjunker Yes, it will. Our entire economy is lynchpinned by our superpower status. The value of the dollar internationally tanking would impact every American.
Most ESPECIALLY the lower & middle class. Upper class has their bets hedged in multiple fiat currencies. The rest of us? Not so much. The depression would seem downright bright & prosperous by comparison.@Beggarmidas feels like quite the reach to say the value of the U.S. dollar would tank if U.S. troops are removed from Germany.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
This shit will continue until 47 is 86d.
He is not playing with a full deck.
And all of this demonstrates that small deck energy.
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@thegarbagebird
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