The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator.
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I don't disagree.
Well, there's definitely harm on masto, also.
Like, zionists harassing palestinians under the protection of mods.
And all those places dedicated to harassment (kiwifarms, etc.)But overall, when people think "social media", they are not thinking of mastodon.
And the places they do think of should not exist in their present form.
@androcat @gabrielesvelto There are harms here, but the harms aren't the harms that come from capitalist social media platforms. They're things that are inherent to human interactions, that require active work to reduce/mitigate.
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@xjix @mgorny yes, absolutely, but like with social media minors end up still having access to alcohol, tobacco and recreational drugs, only through illegal channels. It's one of those cases where a simple ban in absence of proper handling of the broader issue is just a convenient way for adults to ignore the problem instead of trying to fix its root causes.
far from being banned from today's
primary source of information and
connection, children and everyone else need to learn these social skills, to think critically, to check multiple sources of different kinds, to question, query, look for the logical inconsistencies, to be able to act effectively
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
Why do we choose to punish our
dependent children for the crimes
of under-regulated mega businesses
and our own lack of time/energy/ability?
Many children, the most vulnerable, find their only friends, people like them with whom they can find kind belonging, on social media.
You don't want kids exposed to the evils and can't reign in those exposing them, give them good places online to participate
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
@gabrielesvelto @jeromio Legit I think it’s about 80% anti-lgbtq moral panic bullshit.
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
@gabrielesvelto Our national broadcasting corporation is now sponsoring its second annual “21 Days Off the Mobile” initiative for minors. The program encourages children and adolescents to refrain from using smartphones and social media for three weeks. [...] Nearly two-thirds of the children who took part have since expressed their support for restrictions on social media use by minors, suggesting that many young people themselves recognize the benefits of reduced screen and online time.
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
@gabrielesvelto It is at its heart an attempt to track everyone online. We all have to identify ourselves to prove we are not children.
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
@gabrielesvelto Corporations have more money, so they're more important, and must take priority. Only #consumption and #profit matter.
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
I mean, nobody ever went to jail for making a children' cartoon the mascot for Camel cigarettes either.
Even people who legitimately care about protecting children from harm aren't willing to actually confront the causes of that harm.
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I disagree with your opening statement
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
@gabrielesvelto As I started reading this, "prosecute the predators" that you were going to go off on abusers and pedophiles. Then you clarified you meant the billionaire corporate owners, and I was like "yeah, the abusers and pedophiles"
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@gabrielesvelto As I started reading this, "prosecute the predators" that you were going to go off on abusers and pedophiles. Then you clarified you meant the billionaire corporate owners, and I was like "yeah, the abusers and pedophiles"
@Option8 cue "They're the same picture" meme
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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.
@gabrielesvelto Well said. Big IT is taking no responsibilty for the negative outcomes (often deliberately driven by algorithms) that their platforms generate.
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