Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI".
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante
> CEO's are really not okay.Never have been.
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante Sounds about right
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante CEOs have to do that, they can't admit defeat, so they push ahead regardless and when the chips starts to fall they jump ship and blame it on workers.
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@tante ceo's never were okay. I always found senior management a narcissistic bunch of assholes, always looking for the next cool project to burnish their cvs. Many were totally scared of tech, easily fooled. And many more were full on tech cultists, because the tech bros were always promising them how they could cut costs and fire people.
I regret being intimidated by C-levels as intelligent.
I wish I had my attitude from now when dealing
with them then.
(everything you said rings spot on to my anecdotes.)
CC: @tante@tldr.nettime.org
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@glyph the amount of times where I asked a CEO/CTO about their "AI" project and how they actually measure cost or what their measurable criteria for success are and only got someone looking at me as if I was speaking in tongues is really scary.
Like: Isn't turning everything into metrics and measurements in order to make data driven decisions what management is supposed to do?
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@tante yeah it's a real "YOU HAD ONE JOB" situation
"AI is going to make us more productive at shipping our software."
"Great! Amazing! That must be several phd theses you got there! Well done! Didn't know you had it in you."
"?!?"
"Well, I mean, you must have figured out how to measure software development productivity reliably, right? What's our baseline at?"
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@otherdog @tante I guess I'll drop the link again just for reference if you haven't seen it, I didn't do so above because I feel like I post this every single day now to the point where the self-promotion feels shameful. but it remains painfully, almost nauseatingly relevant, so, here you go https://blog.glyph.im/2025/08/futzing-fraction.html
@glyph Thank you for sharing that, a very thought-provoking read.
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But: If you have any chance to speak to unions/workers from different domains and organizations do so.
It's fascinating how
a) different organizations are and operate
b) they all end up with the same handful of structural problems@tante could you please write an essay about this top, i really need to read it!
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@tante 9 times out of 10 (yes that's an anecdotal stat), the people most resistant to AI-all-the-things are the most talented, most dedicated workers. Orgs who penalize or fire those people are committing self-sabotage.
@jaredwhite @tante why wouldn't they? The people who bullshit for a living are (ironically) not threatened, they're having the time of their lives instead
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@tante yeah it's a real "YOU HAD ONE JOB" situation
@glyph @tante I had to walk away from being an information architect because everyone wants to pivot to ai, when there is no such thing. I specialize creating information flows that get the right information to the right people. C-suite doesn’t need code docs, and SRE doesn’t need customer service scripts. But all aspects of an enterprise needs documentation for some user in the enterprise. Someone has to create the documentation, map the information, define users, create channels, etc.
Csuite seems to think that it’s magic. That an LLM can talk to both code creators and end users and define requirements from those interviews, and document both the code base, the user docs, the service docs, the marketing docs, etc, and they can just get rid of the tech writers, marketing writers, graphic designers, usability designers, and the people that manage those teams. I mean, good luck with that.
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@glyph the amount of times where I asked a CEO/CTO about their "AI" project and how they actually measure cost or what their measurable criteria for success are and only got someone looking at me as if I was speaking in tongues is really scary.
Like: Isn't turning everything into metrics and measurements in order to make data driven decisions what management is supposed to do?
@tante @glyph I've come to realize that the "leaders" in most companies are mostly people who can't build, who aren't creative, and lack any truly marketable skills. They're good at making other executives feel good about themselves.
Most, if not all, companies would be better off without any executives, but rather they are run by a committee of employees.
These little cults of personalities that corporatedom creates are highly ineffective and prone to eradicate and unpredictable results.
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@tante unfortunately and increasingly, management is most interested in whatever looks good in PowerPoint rather than their product in the real world.
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@tante yeah it's a real "YOU HAD ONE JOB" situation
@glyph @tante I'm literally the last MIS major at my college, we had to pull my course requirements from the school archives when it was time to graduate.
Business as an industry was training people to have exactly that skill set, and then just stopped ~15 years ago.
(Mostly, the position got replaced by analysts or data scientists as close as I can tell.)
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante Truly, they're the real problem behind all this... It never would have even reached this point without their complete inability to live inside reality due I suppose to the complete disconnect with the real world all that money seems to give them. The scam would have fallen short positively ages ago and it never even would have been pushed on people in the first place.
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante All in the name of "efficiency" and maximum profits. Number must go up up up! idk.
What I do know is that CEO's are usually out of touch with reality, same with rich people as well.
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@glyph the amount of times where I asked a CEO/CTO about their "AI" project and how they actually measure cost or what their measurable criteria for success are and only got someone looking at me as if I was speaking in tongues is really scary.
Like: Isn't turning everything into metrics and measurements in order to make data driven decisions what management is supposed to do?
Mostly 'Managers' don't have a clue.
Sales run rings round them, with half truths and promises.
Tech-Staff have to clean up the mess, underpaid,
often without adequate training.It is the history of #britain , the charge of the light brigade enacted time after time, Tommy Atkins in the trenches, the many wounded in the Boer War
Incompetence of management. Upper class twits.
Thin red line, you aren't allowed to duck.AI will fail eventually - bad management
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante I struggle to remember a time in my life when CEOs were "okay"
but what's goin on right now, phew
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@tante do you have a link to that framework?
Also: https://labornotes.org/2026/03/four-union-strategies-fight-ai
In #australia the #actu the peak #union body has betrayed it's members by signing a deal with #microslop just as they fired 15,000 public servants, due to #ai encroachment.
I've done some work analysing the betrayal by the union.
#regulateai #unionstrong -
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Spend the day talking to workers council members about "AI". And it's kinda wild hearing their stories from the wild: Management is 100% in fantasy "AI" can do everything land and makes huge plans for how to use "AI" to cut workers when real projects that supposedly can do 50% of a specific task end up being able to do 8%. And they still go live. It's fucking bonkers. CEO's are really not okay.
@tante
"workers council"
(very Soviet/Debord)
