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"We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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  • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

    @Elizafox because in AI we have a slight competitive edge, in those other things we are losing big

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    #21

    @ariadne @Elizafox I can't remember where, but I heard it recently pointed out - the only part of the AI industry that's close to profitable is bulk inference computation. And that's something that just needs a big building and cheap electricity - so the advantage there goes to the country with the greatest efficiencies of scale in construction and solar panel installation. Which is China.

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    • pockets@lgbtqia.spaceP pockets@lgbtqia.space

      @Elizafox
      What was that thing in "Oppenheimer" where he took the math to Einstein because there was a concern that it would ignite our atmosphere?

      That's where we're at.
      How many groups have said that AI is likely to kill us all, but they're *still* racing towards it?

      I guess people are more concerned about *which* AI kills us than *whether* AI kills us. I mean, we'll be dead either way, so why does it matter?

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      #22

      @pockets @Elizafox Because the people who think that AI will destroy us out of a conscious, willful decision are influenced by the Roko’s basilisk thought experiment, also known as “what if we made Pascal’s wager even dumber but made it about computers because that’s cool”.

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      • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

        "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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        #23

        @Elizafox because people aren't abominable intelligence

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        • tym@tilde.zoneT tym@tilde.zone

          @Elizafox a tiny electric car race would be cool too

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          #24

          @tym @Elizafox kei cars like they have in Japan! Only, sold to the rest of the world.

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          • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

            "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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            #25

            @Elizafox

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            • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

              "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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              #26

              @Elizafox Because the USA has lost those already. The first two to China, the latter two to a whole bunch of nations.

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              • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                @ariadne "Why do anything when we can just keep doing things the way we've been doing since the 80's"

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                #27

                @Elizafox @ariadne
                The US peaked in high school

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                • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                  "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                  #28

                  @Elizafox meanwhile cage homes are a thing in China, too.

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                  • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                    "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                    #29

                    @Elizafox
                    Because the few in power expect to get even more money out of the AI race.
                    And they do not need solar, high speed rail, improved health care or whatever, since they can already always buy their way to the best service for themselves.

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                    • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                      "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                      #30

                      @Elizafox various explanations in the replies but i think the real reason is because AI is a weapon, or can be used as one

                      the AI race is another arms race

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                      • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                        "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                        #31

                        @Elizafox because if USA looses AI race you will all discover why socialism was actually not that bad of an idea.

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                        • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                          "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                          #32

                          @Elizafox oil is still too cheap; no money in transporting people; muricans don't have more to spend on health; qol is EU propaganda -- we da best

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                          • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                            "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                            #33

                            @Elizafox summary: because capitalism.

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                            • martenson@mastodon.worldM martenson@mastodon.world

                              @Elizafox oil is still too cheap; no money in transporting people; muricans don't have more to spend on health; qol is EU propaganda -- we da best

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                              #34

                              @martenson @Elizafox They don't have enough to spend on health because it's going into the pockets of insurance executives and private equity firms. The USA spends more per person than countries with universal health care and gets worse results.

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                              • jaaphuib@mastodon.nlJ jaaphuib@mastodon.nl

                                @Elizafox
                                Because the few in power expect to get even more money out of the AI race.
                                And they do not need solar, high speed rail, improved health care or whatever, since they can already always buy their way to the best service for themselves.

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                                #35

                                @jaaphuib @Elizafox I'm not sure why, AI isn't exactly profitable.

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                                • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                                  "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                                  #36

                                  @Elizafox bc we’re losing those races and Trump hates losers is my bet

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                                  • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                                    "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                                    #37

                                    @Elizafox none of that will soothe the aristocracy's square-one demand for slaves, whatever shape they might take

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                                    • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                                      "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                                      #38

                                      @Elizafox who exactly is "we"?

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                                      • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                                        "We're in an AI race with China" okay why aren't we in a solar race or high-speed rail race or healthcare race or quality of life race or some shit.

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                                        #39

                                        @Elizafox We are all of it. China is challenging.

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                                        • ariaflame@masto.aiA ariaflame@masto.ai

                                          @jaaphuib @Elizafox I'm not sure why, AI isn't exactly profitable.

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                                          #40

                                          @ariaflame @jaaphuib @Elizafox Exactly. They've figured out the way to make insane amounts of money *without* being profitable. Why deal with the hassle of profit when you can just keep saying "this model is better than the last one" and people just keep throwing money at you?

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