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How much slop is in Linux now?

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  • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

    @spitfire @davidgerard

    I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

    His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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    #7

    @McCovican

    oh damn - reading that mail made me literally facepalm. instantly going ad-hominem and argueing like a 5th grader. 🙄

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    • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

      @McCovican

      oh damn - reading that mail made me literally facepalm. instantly going ad-hominem and argueing like a 5th grader. 🙄

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      #8

      @spitfire @McCovican What we need is a fork.
      New Linux and Slop Linux need to be developed separately.

      landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL moriel@chaosfem.twM 2 Replies Last reply
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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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        #9

        @davidgerard Problem solved ✨️

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        • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @spitfire @McCovican What we need is a fork.
          New Linux and Slop Linux need to be developed separately.

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          #10

          @yora @spitfire @McCovican There are other, under-resourced operating systems that are more worthy of the attention than this insecure C fossil.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

            https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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            #11

            @davidgerard And _the guy_ has lost his marbles.

            https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

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            • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @yora @spitfire @McCovican There are other, under-resourced operating systems that are more worthy of the attention than this insecure C fossil.

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              #12

              @landelare @spitfire @McCovican Sure. If we make all the Linux software run on it I'd be happy to use it.

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              • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @spitfire @McCovican What we need is a fork.
                New Linux and Slop Linux need to be developed separately.

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                #13

                @yora @spitfire @McCovican

                i've been wondering when this would get mentioned. i wish i had the free time to work on such a project, but although i learned C in the early 90's i've never done any kernel work so even the thought of using what little free time i have sounds completely daunting.

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                • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                  @davidgerard

                  I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

                  /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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                  #14

                  @spitfire @davidgerard It's not often that I'm rooting for the AI bros, but if they could submit even more bogus PRs, that would be very nice of them in this particular instance

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                  • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @spitfire @davidgerard It's not often that I'm rooting for the AI bros, but if they could submit even more bogus PRs, that would be very nice of them in this particular instance

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                    #15

                    @landelare the tried and tested "flood the zone with shit" gambit, yes? 😉

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                    • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                      @landelare the tried and tested "flood the zone with shit" gambit, yes? 😉

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                      #16

                      @spitfire I'm not very well-versed in these techniques, but I'll happily watch the wrestling match

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                      • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @landelare @spitfire @McCovican Sure. If we make all the Linux software run on it I'd be happy to use it.

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                        #17

                        @yora @landelare @spitfire @McCovican

                        Redox OS @redox_os@icosahedron.websit (strong anti AI policy) already runs a ton, including a graphical desktop!

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                          #18

                          @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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                          • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

                            @davidgerard That will make it tricky once all LLM assisted content is ruled as copyright infringement and needs to be stripped out.

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                            #19

                            @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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                            • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                              @spitfire @davidgerard

                              I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                              https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                              His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                              #20

                              @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard unfortunately, the trend more and more agentic AI contributions to the kernel and less and less humans vetted to make those AI contributions. Linux will stop being a community project, and it will be more like a few key maintainers and companies managing AI agents to mutate the code, "open source" only in the sense that, I guess, you can look at the code with your eyeballs if you want

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                              • paul@fedi.paulwilde.ukP paul@fedi.paulwilde.uk

                                @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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                                #21

                                @paul a wise choice

                                good thing masto works on an abacus now

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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  @paul a wise choice

                                  good thing masto works on an abacus now

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                                  #22
                                  @davidgerard @paul
                                  "good thing masto works on an abacus now"
                                  i thought that was supposed to be SNAC and GoToSocial's big feature.
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                                  • tmw@ioc.exchangeT tmw@ioc.exchange

                                    @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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                                    #23

                                    @tmw @kbm0 @davidgerard Yeah, I don't know for sure, but considering Linux is basically a corporate project, this change will also provide welcome ambiguity for lawyers that either want to enforce copyright claim on the kernel or deny copyright infringement. The ambiguity will also be useful for lobbyists when arguing for favorable changes to laws, "It's already deeply embedded, and there's no way to tell what was written by what!"

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                                    • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                                      @spitfire @davidgerard

                                      I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                                      https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                                      His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                                      #24

                                      @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                                      Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                        #25
                                        @davidgerard wow that’s pathetic
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                                        • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                                          @davidgerard

                                          I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

                                          /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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                                          #26

                                          @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

                                          dimenzio@social.linux.pizzaD gooba42@mastodon.socialG 2 Replies Last reply
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