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How much slop is in Linux now?

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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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    #29

    @davidgerard if not for explicites audit reason, there is no need to have it. Who commit is the owner and responsible.

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

      https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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      #30

      @davidgerard I have always perceived these footnotes and tags as free advertisement for multi billion dollar corporations that already make the news every other day with new bullshit hacks and mishaps because plastering the company name across everything there is is the only thing that matters, they want to be everywhere all the time. Therefore I'm happy with less ad spam, in particular due to the unenforcable, voluntary nature of these tags, a generic "assisted by: LLM" would be kinda useless.

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      • opmodoro@mastodon.unoO opmodoro@mastodon.uno

        @davidgerard if not for explicites audit reason, there is no need to have it. Who commit is the owner and responsible.

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        #31

        @Opmodoro 0 follower spam sockpuppet

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        • cynaq@beige.partyC cynaq@beige.party

          @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

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          #32

          @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard I also don't think he gets over it. He just seems so ultra utility-focused and small scoped. Who cares it's drowning the reviewers, or leading to widespread problems mental wise. To him it feels faster right now, and probably does in the future when he vibe codes some other random bullshit. Review burden, understanding of systems and code? Who needs it, go pay Anthropic to save them one more day until they burn, bitches.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

            https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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            #33

            @davidgerard Final straw for me. I am, as Emperor Penguin suggested, "forking off"...to #NetBSD

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            • dimenzio@social.linux.pizzaD dimenzio@social.linux.pizza

              @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard I also don't think he gets over it. He just seems so ultra utility-focused and small scoped. Who cares it's drowning the reviewers, or leading to widespread problems mental wise. To him it feels faster right now, and probably does in the future when he vibe codes some other random bullshit. Review burden, understanding of systems and code? Who needs it, go pay Anthropic to save them one more day until they burn, bitches.

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              #34

              @dimenzio @CynAq @davidgerard after catching up on all his recent posts I am going to retract my "glimmer of hope" statement. The man is deteriorating fast.

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                #35

                @davidgerard What I don’t understand is why this seems to be the only place the kernel is willing to embrace anything modern. I mean, there was a maintainers’ revolt over Rust and development still happens over email with format-patch, but LLMs come in and suddenly it’s all about accepting the future of software development.

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                • zedaardv@mastodon.worldZ zedaardv@mastodon.world

                  @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                  Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                  #36

                  @zedaardv @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                  "And quite honestly, in my experience, the people I respect and call
                  intelligent are not the ones that shy away from using new and
                  interesting tools."

                  Being new does not make something interesting or useful.

                  Also: Kind of hard to "shy away" from something that is being forced on you.

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                    #37

                    @davidgerard

                    Maybe they have reached the point where they are no longer actually "assisted by" the LLMs, and just taking whatever comes out of it.

                    A lot of LLM users go through that cycle: They start out careful, then they just take what it gives.

                    Kind of like that like about being addicted to alcohol or smoking: It starts out as a guest, but becomes the master.

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                    • eadanila@mastodon.socialE eadanila@mastodon.social

                      @davidgerard What I don’t understand is why this seems to be the only place the kernel is willing to embrace anything modern. I mean, there was a maintainers’ revolt over Rust and development still happens over email with format-patch, but LLMs come in and suddenly it’s all about accepting the future of software development.

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                      #38

                      @eadanila @davidgerard Follow the money.

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                      • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                        @davidgerard

                        I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

                        /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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                        #39

                        @spitfire @davidgerard the problem is that he likes using it, so it must be good when he does it. all the other stuff he doesn’t like is because other people use it badly. therefore it must be just a tool, with no other qualifiers

                        as my mom used to tell me, “welp, there’s no arguing with that logic”

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                          #40

                          @davidgerard Doesn't really matter if it's every commit.

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                            #41

                            @Kiloku @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard Fucking arsehole. He should go into the woods and kick a bear in the balls to see what happens.

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                              #42

                              @Kiloku @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard Yeah, when he dropped the part about it never being a social justice project and would never *be* motivated by social justice, that was the end of my enthusiasm.

                              If social justice isn't a valid motivation in his mind, he can't be trusted.

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                              • cynaq@beige.partyC cynaq@beige.party

                                @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

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                                #43

                                @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard And he's going to blame us. Like clockwork, when this kind of bullshit is happening, they retreat into "I wasn't a Nazi but the people saying anti-Nazi stuff drove me to being a Nazi!"

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                                  #44

                                  @Kiloku @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard yeah, very GamerGate

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                    #45

                                    @davidgerard a reasonable conclusion seems to be that unless explicitly stated otherwise, assume by default that it was probably assisted by some LLM.

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