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  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

    for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

    ed1conf@bsd.networkE This user is from outside of this forum
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    #8

    For whomever needs to hear this: you are not alone. I am not vibecoding any of the software I write. I write it all by hand. I have leveled up to using ed(1) on a glass TTY rather than a hardcopy-output device. I am modernizing my stacks and using languages with excellent compilers like C89. I think about how to do more with less. I am trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. I enjoy reading manuals and references. I believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

    @mntmn

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    • ed1conf@bsd.networkE ed1conf@bsd.network

      For whomever needs to hear this: you are not alone. I am not vibecoding any of the software I write. I write it all by hand. I have leveled up to using ed(1) on a glass TTY rather than a hardcopy-output device. I am modernizing my stacks and using languages with excellent compilers like C89. I think about how to do more with less. I am trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. I enjoy reading manuals and references. I believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

      @mntmn

      thalia@discuss.systemsT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #9

      @ed1conf @mntmn Smh, I prefer writing C74 in UNIX V4 with ed(1) on my Teletype Model 43. Though, I'd love to upgrade to a Teletype Model 37.

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      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

        for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

        gsuberland@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #10

        @mntmn ❤

        honestly, we need as many people as possible who actually give a shit about the quality of the things they make.

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        • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

          for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

          astropug@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #11

          @mntmn

          We, who are newer, or who are students, also needed to hear this. Thank you.

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          • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

            for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

            micdan@mstdn.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
            micdan@mstdn.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #12

            @mntmn SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK ❤️‍🔥

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            • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

              for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

              d6@merveilles.townD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #13

              @mntmn 💪 fuck yeah emacs 🐐

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              • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                @mntmn not to toot my own horn but I'm doing a 40 day AI Lent to keep my brain sharp, it's probably the most intellectually rewarding (and frustrating) thing I've done recently

                https://buduroiu.com/blog/announcing-ai-lent/

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                #14

                @budududuroiu not to toot my own horn but I'm doing an almost 13,038 day fast from vibe coding.

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                • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                  for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                  #15

                  @mntmn Same here. Tried vibe coding and then intentionally stay away from it. Also an Emacs user. Can't say I am doing the right thing, just what I feel like to do.

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                  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                    for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                    glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #16

                    @mntmn instafollow

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                    • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                      @mntmn not to toot my own horn but I'm doing a 40 day AI Lent to keep my brain sharp, it's probably the most intellectually rewarding (and frustrating) thing I've done recently

                      https://buduroiu.com/blog/announcing-ai-lent/

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                      #17

                      @budududuroiu @mntmn https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/116163565875479590

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                      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                        for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                        #18

                        @mntmn I feel like we're in a drowning minority

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                        • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                          for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                          #19

                          @mntmn Thank you, i needed to hear this. 💜

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                          • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                            for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                            vashbear@hachyderm.ioV This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #20

                            @mntmn

                            Hi Lucie, I love the sentiment. I do think it is important to understand what good coding is, and coding is enjoyable.

                            But... sorry, I have a "but"

                            I am an experieced 30 year coder. The truth is that the best human coder cannot keep up with what AI coding can do. I was shocked when I realized this but it's true.

                            AI can keep the entire code base in its buffer and scan and find things instantly that I would not know. It can refactor, debug and redeploy. It can generate documentation instantly. Any API, even ones I have never seen to some esoteric endpoint, it can master instantly. it has been trained billions and billions of lines of code. That is more than I have by a factor of over 100,00 million.

                            It is like having a team of 10 cross-disciplinary developers working with you plus a documentation writer , a QA person and project manager.

                            If I have a question about how something works, I can ask it, and it describes it and gives me links to the relevant section.

                            It is only getting better. Every few months its capabilities leap incredibly.

                            It still needs a team leader. It needs someone to guide what it can do. That is the role to embrace. You will be a much better team leader if you understand the fundamentals.

                            Believe me, I understand that there are plenty of downsides to this. And .. it scares the hell out of me. But wishing it were not so will not make it go away.

                            I dont know if you have tried the most recent releases - I use Claude Code -- but you owe it to yourself to try it if only to gauge what you are up against.

                            And by all means -- keep learning to code on your own -- but if that is the only tool in your quiver, it should be a hobby, not a means to make a living.

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                            • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                              for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                              #21

                              @mntmn

                              The automation platform I spend most of my time in let's me use in-line Python, jq, and JSONPath. They have little AI boxes so it can do it for you. I refuse to use them and quite enjoy writing my own, reading stackoverflow, reading documentation, and doing iterative testing.

                              I used to hate jq and found it unintuitive. Now it's one of my favorite things to hack around in and I get really excited when I find a novel solution that lets me replace ten steps and two loops with one carefully crafted command.

                              And I'm finally taking a Python class after a decade of always meaning to.

                              I want to know why and how the things I put name on actually work.

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                              • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                #22

                                @mntmn This makes everything you do even more enjoyable for me 🙂

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                                • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                  for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                                  mahadevank@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #23

                                  @mntmn Same club. I only use AI for snippets of code - which of course, I have to then edit quite a bit to bring it to good shape.

                                  I mostly use it for stuff I'm new to, like Vimscript. Speaking of which Vim here - it has been my editor of choice for more than 20 years now, so the habit runs deep.

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                                  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                    for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                    #24

                                    @mntmn
                                    My 2 cents. As a former programmer and fountain pens collector, manually written code will be a thing of the past in, maybe, 5 years. Those manually writing code will do it for the pleasure of doing it, not for productivity. The same way we switched to PC to literally (no pun intended 🙂) write anything, relegating pens to the role of collector's items.

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                                    • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                      for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                      #25

                                      @mntmn 🙌

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                                      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                        for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                                        jtnystrom@genomic.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #26

                                        @mntmn Amen.

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                                        • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                          for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                          #27

                                          @mntmn thank you! I appreciate every good documentation, every tutorial, blog article and problem discussion I can find!
                                          This motivates me to write better documentation and to keep resisting the slop, too.

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