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  3. As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

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  • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

    @smallsees

    > I wonder if the organisers have thought of it?

    In such a case, my first thought is "how much were they paid not to think about it?" EU institutions pretending to invite pluralistic participation without reimbursements is far too systemic in nature not to be the result of a planned operation.

    @bagder

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    #21

    @ohir @smallsees @bagder exactly…
    https://mastodon.social/@kkarhan/117034124708550079

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    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

      @bagder

      Unpaid work is a big thing in too many industries

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/31/us/elon-musk-company-unpaid-liens-invs

      https://medium.com/@carmitage/elon-musk-keeps-refusing-to-pay-his-bills-in-california-that-is-felony-theft-by-false-pretenses-130ad6f46d84

      https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2026/07/31/spacexai-liens-construction-colossus-darana.html

      https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210507-why-we-glorify-the-cult-of-burnout-and-overwork

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/15/china-tech-employees-push-back-against-long-hours-996-alibaba-huawei

      Unpaid content
      https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/449690-talk-show-host-david-pakman-analyzes-youtube-demonetization/

      Unpaid content moderation
      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/dec/30/reddit-moderator-protest-communities-social-media

      Unpaid overtime
      https://medium.com/career-programming/why-swes-must-work-unpaid-overtime-4b4ce9571185

      https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211013-how-working-unpaid-hours-became-part-of-the-job

      Unpaid invoices
      https://www.thestage.co.uk/news/nearly-half-of-creative-freelancers-regularly-work-unpaid-hours-report

      https://www.ibtimes.com.au/spacexai-570-million-claim-ihra-financial-turmoil-1873420

      Unpaid marketing
      https://www.businessinsider.com/cision-faces-collective-action-lawsuit-alleging-unpaid-overtime-2021-5

      Wage theft
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/15/wage-theft-us-workers-employees

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      #22

      @Npars01 @bagder Someone really needs to sue him.

      In #Germany, those who have substantial overdue payments may even apply for "Creditor Insolvency" as the non-payment is a clear indicator of insolvency (Why wouldn't a honest merchant pay?).

      - It's also a felony to commit to a contract knowing one cannot fulfill financial obligations of it at time of signature… (Contractual Entrance Fraud)…

      #NotLegalAdvice & #NotFinancialAdvice OFC!

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      • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

        As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

        So I decline.

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        #23
        Fair enough, considering you'd end up in the negatives on the trade
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        • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

          As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

          So I decline.

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          #24

          @bagder You have to understand, the EU has to give so many billions as subsidies to fossil companies, it has nothing left for volunteers.

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          • eloy@hsnl.socialE eloy@hsnl.social

            @bagder I think people inviting people just assume everyone has an employer that covers your salary during those days and you can reimburse travel costs :')

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            #25

            @eloy @bagder conferences also do this *constantly*, also with the ticket prices. it's a pet peeve of mine, it excludes *so many* people

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            • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

              As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

              So I decline.

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              #26

              @bagder meanwhile Europe recently announced unlocking 10B€ for AI ressources...
              What a disappointment...

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              • renchap@oisaur.comR renchap@oisaur.com

                @bagder I usually ask for the details on travel and accommodation instead of outright refusing, and I was surprised to get it covered several times!

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                #27

                @renchap @bagder honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the default strategy for a majority of conference organisers: "only offer travel support if asked"

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                • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                  As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                  So I decline.

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                  #28

                  @bagder same. I can't do everything for free

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                  • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                    As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                    So I decline.

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                    #29

                    @bagder Brussel bureaucrats sabotaging Open Source from day one.
                    It's corruption.

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                    • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                      As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                      So I decline.

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                      #30

                      @bagder this is the model for 50%+ academic people. Peer review, research, write papers, attend conferences, but mostly get no or very little financial support. This is very common.

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                      • bagder@mastodon.socialB bagder@mastodon.social

                        As an Open Source person I am apparently expected to keep doing things for free so I get invited to participate in EU policy events in Brussels, with not even an attempt to offer me compensation for travel, lodging or time.

                        So I decline.

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                        #31

                        @bagder I was always under the impression that if a company or organization invites you, that they cover at least the travel and lodging.

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                        • smallsees@social.dropbear.xyzS smallsees@social.dropbear.xyz

                          @bagder the issue being is they'll get only voices of people backed by money; so certain corporations with certain interests.

                          That's not an issue for you to solve but I wonder if the organisers have thought of it?

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                          #32

                          @smallsees @bagder I have repeatedly pointed it out to them, if it's the event I'm thinking of.

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                          • stragu@mastodon.indie.hostS stragu@mastodon.indie.host

                            @renchap @bagder honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the default strategy for a majority of conference organisers: "only offer travel support if asked"

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                            #33

                            @stragu @renchap it is. I decline quite a lot of conference speaking invitations as well..

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