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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    guigsy@mstdn.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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    #40

    @Em0nM4stodon You'll be hard pressed to find a business that doesn't use Google or MS desktop apps. A good chunk of businesses have their enterprise applications in US controlled cloud. And those that don't are often using third party apps and SaaS that rely on US cloud under the hood.

    Basically, losing connections to Google, MS and AWS would shut down a country.

    Which is why we need IT sovereignty... but it's not an easy problem to solve. US tech is ingrained deep!

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    • cmsdengl@mas.toC cmsdengl@mas.to

      @Em0nM4stodon

      I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

      - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
      - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
      - Emergency services and banks - don't know

      The whole country would be screwed

      You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

      stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #41

      @cmsdengl

      Wouldn't Windows XP computers unaffected? MS stopped support of this software long ago.
      (but of course it's bad to still use XP)

      @Em0nM4stodon

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      • bubblegumyeti@mastodon.socialB bubblegumyeti@mastodon.social

        @Em0nM4stodon i am pretty ok tbh, almost everything is stored in EU

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        #42

        @BubblegumYeti @Em0nM4stodon Stored in the EU provides almost zero protection. Your cloud is still run by a US company that WILL comply with US orders to exfiltrate your data and/or turn off the access.

        benedikt_lauenburg@norden.socialB oyu_fka@mastodon.socialO 2 Replies Last reply
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        • me@social.jlamothe.netM me@social.jlamothe.net
          @dfs_comedy @Em0nM4stodon Does your bank? Your local grocer? You may be shielded from direct effects, but it almost certainly would affect you in unexpected indirect ways.
          stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
          stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #43

          @me @Em0nM4stodon @dfs_comedy

          It's good to be as independent as possible personally, but we depend on so many services around us - Electricity? Hospitals? Ambulance Control Centre? Pharmacies etc.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            rightsprung@c.imR This user is from outside of this forum
            rightsprung@c.imR This user is from outside of this forum
            rightsprung@c.im
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #44

            @Em0nM4stodon

            I would assume cutting off Canada would result in our cutting off their oil, electric power, and uranium, each having its own immediate to long-term effect, basically making their data centres and clouds useless instantly.

            But we really do need (and I assume are planning) to disconnect our computing services from the unreliable rogue state.

            If not, we should be.

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              98percent@mastodon.nz9 This user is from outside of this forum
              98percent@mastodon.nz9 This user is from outside of this forum
              98percent@mastodon.nz
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #45

              @Em0nM4stodon I live in New Zealand. The simple answer is no, we are not at all prepared.
              Our government has been touting new data centres that have been established here to give us data sovereignty. But guess who runs them? AWS and Microsoft, for two.
              Having the hardware on our soil is just an illusion of data sovereignty in my opinion (but I am not a tech expert).

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                patrickobeirne@mastodon.ieP This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #46

                @Em0nM4stodon
                Fortunately the drive by the tech companies to make money is stronger than even DJT's vindictiveness.

                #uspol

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  ppxl@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
                  ppxl@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
                  ppxl@social.tchncs.de
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #47

                  @Em0nM4stodon oh God this would be awesome. Terrible at first for some but a blessing in disguise

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    If you live outside of the United States,
                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                    What would happen to your work?

                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                    What would happen to your banks?

                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                    What would happen?
                    Is your country prepared?

                    #DataSovereignty

                    torithom@theforkiverse.comT This user is from outside of this forum
                    torithom@theforkiverse.comT This user is from outside of this forum
                    torithom@theforkiverse.com
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #48

                    @Em0nM4stodon and schools.

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                    • hiway@mastodon.socialH hiway@mastodon.social

                      @Em0nM4stodon not sure about the bigger picture, but many govt offices use Linux. As far as what the incumbents think they need to function, we have great home made surveillance and identification/oppression systems already in place.

                      raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #49

                      @hiway @Em0nM4stodon
                      Ireland is very dominated by Microsoft in Gov & semi-state etc.
                      Also most businesses.
                      Some schools are Apple.

                      Personally we are not dependent on US tech online in the house. Our email & hosing might all still work (German based). The ISP uses MS for most office stuff but maybe mostly Linux for the actual routers etc. That used to be true.

                      Mobile and much broadband might go off-line due to billing issues!

                      I doubt there is any plan.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        cyrilbrulebois@mamot.frC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        cyrilbrulebois@mamot.fr
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                        #50

                        @Em0nM4stodon @OdyX Throw your arms in the air with the famous “qui aurait pu prédire ?” catchphrase (loosely translated as “who could have predicted this?”). That's Macron's response to basically everything (with some exceptions like “come and get me”, for an increased fuck-you score).

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          catdragon@mastodon.world
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #51

                          @Em0nM4stodon as though the techlogarchs would stop the cash flowing in for a day.

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            timwardcam@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            timwardcam@c.im
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #52

                            @Em0nM4stodon You could have included Visa and Mastercard.

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

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                              da_kink@defcon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #53

                              @Em0nM4stodon I cant roll out software quickly, but in terms of files I'd be alright.

                              The big problem would be SSO things, those are based on Intune and I don't know how quick I could spin up a different solution and get all programs changed that are SaaS and as such not administrated by ourselves.

                              Our primary care process could continue, but support would be flying blind.

                              Annoyingly, this is one of the DR scenarios we've been considering but so far the only real outcome to negate is "everything needs to be selfhosted and split between two datacenters"

                              As for endpoints, it would be a disaster for around 25% of employees. Most of our primary process uses ipads and webbased software. But the rest live in outlook of course.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                carmenlisandrette@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                carmenlisandrette@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #54

                                @Em0nM4stodon

                                NZ here. lol no.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  mwt@mastodon.nz
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #55

                                  @Em0nM4stodon nope, we are so guzzling the Microsoft/AWS koolaid here that we'd definitely grind to a halt. Might be why our current government is kowtowing to the US government and trying to turn us into a mini-US.

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #56

                                    @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

                                    We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

                                    All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

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                                    • blotosmetek@circumstances.runB blotosmetek@circumstances.run

                                      @barbra @Em0nM4stodon So, Windows 10 is not a Microsoft product?

                                      mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      mwt@mastodon.nz
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #57

                                      @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon I have a mini-computer that was Windows 2000 when I got it. It has never seen the internet and (as long as I'm in charge of it) never will. My spouse updated it to XP a few years ago, I don't think it improved anything. I use it to play one very old Windows only computer game.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        canleaf@mastodon.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #58

                                        @Em0nM4stodon we would be fucked.

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          If you live outside of the United States,
                                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                          What would happen to your work?

                                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                                          What would happen to your banks?

                                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                          What would happen?
                                          Is your country prepared?

                                          #DataSovereignty

                                          jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          jorgecandeias@mastodon.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #59

                                          @Em0nM4stodon My country's government included until recently a guy that came straight out of Microsoft and who only left to become mayor of the second largest city in the country.

                                          That ought to tell you all you need to know about that.

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