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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

    @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

    We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

    All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

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    javensbukan@cosocial.ca
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #63

    @Em0nM4stodon All units also have at least one Analog fax on standby (integrated into an MFP) for document flow in case the EMR dies for forwarding reqs and orders.

    It would suuuuuck, but that's what they used before the new system, so not end of world (slow though).

    They wouldn't have access to records though which would suck, but they'd be able to record that information based on physical tracking boards still used in most units.

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      hunteranton@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
      hunteranton@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
      hunteranton@mastodon.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #64

      @Em0nM4stodon no, they do not.

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH This user is from outside of this forum
        holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH This user is from outside of this forum
        holliek72@mastodonapp.uk
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #65

        @Em0nM4stodon A plan? Don't be ridiculous!

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
          argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
          argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #66

          @Em0nM4stodon

          The EU's next-generation digital ID system requires a genuine unmodified phone from a US manufacturer.

          That entire continent would get a surprised look on its face and fall off the bottom of the screen. Doo-doot doot doot doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doot. Game over.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            paxil@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
            paxil@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
            paxil@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #67

            @Em0nM4stodon #China can supply all those probably at less cost. Didi is more popular than Uber in Mexico.

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              dside@mastodon.mlD This user is from outside of this forum
              dside@mastodon.mlD This user is from outside of this forum
              dside@mastodon.ml
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #68

              @Em0nM4stodon Russia here. To summarize, probably more than most. Heck, a lot of it was cut from within already.
              ISPs are already legally forced to install govt traffic filters and most recently globally trusted CAs stopped issuing certificates for local banks, forcing them to transition to certs issued by the govt's CA – the roots of which are installed manually or available preinstalled in Yandex Browser; there are no mandates to do either, but people prefer their online banking to be accessible.

              Visa and MasterCard left in 2022, local MIR and SBP handle electronic payments, major socials have been banned before with citizenry being herded towards govt-affiliated platforms VK and MAX, hounded by incessant ads and competitors not working (inaccessible servers).

              Businesses can subsist on pirated software and some local alternatives.

              Overall, this disentanglement from the rest of the world is one of many things that made the incursion in 2022 possible. So… mixed feelings about this.

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                cafeinux@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                cafeinux@infosec.exchange
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #69

                @Em0nM4stodon
                My company would literally stop working, as we're going all in in Microsoft services.
                And I'd be standing there, pointing at the COO, laughing like Nelson Muntz, and saying "I told you".

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  mensrea@freeradical.zone
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #70

                  @Em0nM4stodon i believe the term you are looking for is "unmitigated disaster". hell, our city website is sharepoint

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    If you live outside of the United States,
                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                    What would happen to your work?

                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                    What would happen to your banks?

                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                    What would happen?
                    Is your country prepared?

                    #DataSovereignty

                    amgine@mamot.frA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    amgine@mamot.fr
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #71

                    @Em0nM4stodon

                    It would take a few weeks for most critical government services to be back on line in Canada.

                    I and my family outside of the USA would not miss much; we already have working systems for most of those services, including a Euro Office collaborative setup. We have self-hosted email servers on three continents.

                    But private industry would collapse and self-immolate.

                    And that includes almost all the food infrastructure - now largely owned by US corporations.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

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                      lukefromdc@kolektiva.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #72

                      @Em0nM4stodon This also applies to folks INSIDE the US who are not in-solid GOP supporters.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        dryak@mstdn.scienceD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        dryak@mstdn.science
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #73

                        @Em0nM4stodon My work? I would be mildly inconvenienced as currently the github action workers are better than the other runners at my disposal, but this would be balanced by the opportunities to make fun of all colleague who went Microsoft 365 "but they promised data was hosted on a datacentre in the country".

                        Our institute @ethz.ch hosts local instances of gitlab, nextcloud, matrix, etc. that I actively use as redundancy (git) or primary storage (docs).

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                        • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

                          @Em0nM4stodon My work? I would be mildly inconvenienced as currently the github action workers are better than the other runners at my disposal, but this would be balanced by the opportunities to make fun of all colleague who went Microsoft 365 "but they promised data was hosted on a datacentre in the country".

                          Our institute @ethz.ch hosts local instances of gitlab, nextcloud, matrix, etc. that I actively use as redundancy (git) or primary storage (docs).

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                          dryak@mstdn.science
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #74

                          @Em0nM4stodon in addition we have our own scientific cluster so data analysis would continue as usual, and the online platforms we publish are hosted in EU at @hetzner

                          On top of that I have my own offsite backup (diy server at my parents)

                          I haven't been relying on windows for decades (and more recently even game under Linux thanks to #SteamDeck)

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                          • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

                            @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

                            We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

                            All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

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                            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #75

                            @Javensbukan This is very reassuring to read 💚

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

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                              kierkegaanks@beige.party
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #76

                              @Em0nM4stodon i have no idea. We have trusted the US since 1945 and I suspect we are completely unprepared for chonky’s fits

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                              • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

                                @Em0nM4stodon in addition we have our own scientific cluster so data analysis would continue as usual, and the online platforms we publish are hosted in EU at @hetzner

                                On top of that I have my own offsite backup (diy server at my parents)

                                I haven't been relying on windows for decades (and more recently even game under Linux thanks to #SteamDeck)

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                                dryak@mstdn.science
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #77

                                @Em0nM4stodon even my private e-mail is hosted in country at @infomaniak_network

                                Even my phones are degoogled thanks to #SailfishOS

                                So, while the rest of the country is completely burning down, I would still be able to smugly feel superior while working in my lonely corner.

                                🙃

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  cyberquixote@infosec.exchange
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #78

                                  @Em0nM4stodon I genuinely believe people don’t care anymore, my entire life in tech has been a farce and a sham.

                                  good luck to everyone who even gives a fuck

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

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                                    ati1@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #79

                                    @Em0nM4stodon I live outside USA and I want my govt, not US, to cut usage of those services.

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                                    • cmsdengl@mas.toC cmsdengl@mas.to

                                      @Em0nM4stodon

                                      I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

                                      - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
                                      - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
                                      - Emergency services and banks - don't know

                                      The whole country would be screwed

                                      You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

                                      freci@piaille.frF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      freci@piaille.fr
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #80

                                      @cmsdengl @Em0nM4stodon re: payment services you could use Wero, except they chose to require either Google or Apple 🤡

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

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                                        chrisuplus@chaos.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #81

                                        @Em0nM4stodon lol finito, not even remotely prepared

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          If you live outside of the United States,
                                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                          What would happen to your work?

                                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                                          What would happen to your banks?

                                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                          What would happen?
                                          Is your country prepared?

                                          #DataSovereignty

                                          screwturn@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          screwturn@mastodon.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #82

                                          @Em0nM4stodon
                                          Goes beyond the national plan.

                                          Each organization needs to have a business continuity plan that includes all significant US- based services, devices, and platforms becoming suddenly unavailable or unreliable.

                                          Every bank, hospital, and utility, for example needs to have a documented, tested, and practiced plan

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