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Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

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  • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

    Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

    Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

    The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
    I wrote about it 👇

    https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

    #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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    #4

    @devsimsek
    I put my butt on the copier and now I'm going to keep feeding copies of that picture into it until it prints out the Mona Lisa.

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    • quantensalat@scicomm.xyzQ quantensalat@scicomm.xyz

      @devsimsek Is that a thing people believe, that LLMs generate themselves towards the singularity simply by eating their own output and no other feedback?

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      #5

      @Quantensalat @devsimsek tech bros have been claiming their AIs are alive for years so if the average person who knows nothing about computers thinks we already have AGI, who can really blame them. Anthropic all but claims to have invented Terminator.

      Maybe something like this will stop the panic.

      Which is not to say people shouldn't be concerned in general and very specifically about environmental impacts

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      • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

        Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

        Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

        The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
        I wrote about it 👇

        https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

        #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

        keldrim@meow.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @devsimsek The good news about this, when stuff explodes a lot idiots will loose a lot money and prove even further how stupid this bubble is.

        drwho@masto.hackers.townD 1 Reply Last reply
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        • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

          Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

          Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

          The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
          I wrote about it 👇

          https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

          #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

          kieraaa@mastodon.artK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7

          @devsimsek if i eat my own shit repeatedly will i become a singularity

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          • quantensalat@scicomm.xyzQ quantensalat@scicomm.xyz

            @devsimsek Is that a thing people believe, that LLMs generate themselves towards the singularity simply by eating their own output and no other feedback?

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            #8

            @Quantensalat @devsimsek Yes.

            They have also never had a machine crash because a recursive operation overran the stack or used up all the memory.

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            • keldrim@meow.socialK keldrim@meow.social

              @devsimsek The good news about this, when stuff explodes a lot idiots will loose a lot money and prove even further how stupid this bubble is.

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              #9

              @Keldrim @devsimsek But we'll still be out of jobs.

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              • musicman@mastodon.socialM musicman@mastodon.social

                @Quantensalat @devsimsek tech bros have been claiming their AIs are alive for years so if the average person who knows nothing about computers thinks we already have AGI, who can really blame them. Anthropic all but claims to have invented Terminator.

                Maybe something like this will stop the panic.

                Which is not to say people shouldn't be concerned in general and very specifically about environmental impacts

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                #10

                @musicman @devsimsek As with all mathematical theorems, there's probably a not too far-fetched loophole circumventing some of their assumptions, doesn't mean skynet is becoming self-aware any time soon once that is the case.

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                • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                  Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                  Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                  The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                  I wrote about it 👇

                  https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                  #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                  #11

                  @devsimsek Inbreeding is never a good idea that seems quite intuitive doesn’t it?

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                  • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                    Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                    Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                    The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                    I wrote about it 👇

                    https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                    #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                    #12

                    @devsimsek The paper doesn't prove that. It proves that "if the proportion of exogenous, externally grounded signal vanishes asymptotically, the system undergoes degenerative dynamics."
                    The necessary asymptotic condition is not met in real use.

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                    • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                      Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                      Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                      The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                      I wrote about it 👇

                      https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                      #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                      #13

                      @devsimsek this only means that LLMs can't provide their own training data, right? Could they still "invent" new algorithms, that make more of the existing data?

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                      • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                        Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                        Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                        The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                        I wrote about it 👇

                        https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                        #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                        #14

                        @devsimsek Chatting with U Toronto AI profs 6, 7 years ago, I posed a problem.

                        "Teach your AI everything about whole, integer, rational and real numbers. Ask it to solve a problem that requires it to invent complex numbers."

                        Reply: "Oh... It doesn't work that way."

                        I knew that, but the ability to frame your observations as the product of a higher order system is IMHO key to what we call "intelligence". Collecting evidence that can disprove your hypothesis is science.

                        LLM approaches are neither, in a very expensive way.

                        I'll have to read the paper, though. I'm looking forward to the AI equivalent of Goedel's Theorem that shuts down this annoying iteration of the field.

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                        • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                          Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                          Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                          The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                          I wrote about it 👇

                          https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                          #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                          #15

                          @devsimsek

                          "The curse of recursion" or, as I've been calling it for a while now, "a feedback loop of shit."

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                          • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                            Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                            Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                            The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                            I wrote about it 👇

                            https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                            #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                            #16

                            @devsimsek
                            This is great. I’ve been saying same since before it was conceived, but I expected it on the heels of Cambridge Analytica scandal & techbros desire to use it as a Maxwell’s Demon. If these AI developers cared about their product, they would be funding & not cutting research, sciences, the arts, quality free education, ensuring diversity of experience & insight. But they are going out of their way to destroy their own models with falsehoods of every kind.
                            They & It lack discernment.

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                            • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                              Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                              Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                              The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                              I wrote about it 👇

                              https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                              #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                              #17

                              @devsimsek What should we trust, then? Researchers, or LinkedIn Unemployed AI Ambassadors?

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                              • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                I wrote about it 👇

                                https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                #18

                                @devsimsek also see https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                                This is part of a long running #ML research thread with big #MLsec impact

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                                • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                  Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                  Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                  The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                  I wrote about it 👇

                                  https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                  #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                  #19

                                  @devsimsek I said this a few years ago, and I am no
                                  Matematician. Simple combinatorics and discrete math
                                  over sets will tell you that.

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                                  • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                    Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                    Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                    The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                    I wrote about it 👇

                                    https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                    #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                    #20
                                    @devsimsek I think AGI and self-improvement is possible. But definitely not with the technology (neural LLMs) that is being marketed as "AI" today.

                                    I think that AGI needs to be able to think logically.
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                                    • lunadragofelis@void.lgbtL lunadragofelis@void.lgbt
                                      @devsimsek I think AGI and self-improvement is possible. But definitely not with the technology (neural LLMs) that is being marketed as "AI" today.

                                      I think that AGI needs to be able to think logically.
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                                      #21

                                      @LunaDragofelis
                                      @devsimsek ^ this tbh. The single-minded focus on scaling LLMs is seemingly caused by parts of the AI crowd being hammers that view every problem as a nail.

                                      The path to better products will involve many different technologies being glued together.

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                                      • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                        Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                        Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                        The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                        I wrote about it 👇

                                        https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                        #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                        #22

                                        @devsimsek@universeodon.com I don’t think this is the usual formulation of RSI though – in the one I know the input of the AI is not it’s output, but the environment plus (a representation of) itself. So I would say the way the article (and blogpost) formulates its thesis is misleading.

                                        (I used to worry about AGI and the current focus on LLMs stopped that. Not because such a self-improvement loop is impossible (which I don’t expect it to be tbh), but rather because it’s extremely unlikely due to their very low homoiconicity.)

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                                        • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                          Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                          Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                          The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                          I wrote about it 👇

                                          https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                          #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                          #23

                                          @devsimsek An inevitable melting into slop.
                                          Every time you copy something, you lose some detail. Continue long enough and you eventually do get a Singularity. All information compressed to a single "1".

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