We are 1536 days into the Ukraine war, and Ireland is still helping the Russian weapons factories with raw materials.
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@SamsenBdRi @randahl So people die to keep 2000 jobs? Moral and decency is a stranger here
@connynasch @randahl
Wrong perspective!
People are allegedly dying and losing their livelihoods because corporate leadership—whether intentionally (out of greed) or due to a lack of competence (foresight)—has failed, and continues to fail, to live up to its responsibilities. Just as the EU failed to prevent this with its latest package of sanctions against Russia. -
@SamsenBdRi @randahl So people die to keep 2000 jobs? Moral and decency is a stranger here
@connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl Really?
1. The EU hasn't sanctioned the product.
2. Ireland applies EU sanctions.
3. Ireland has taken in, housed and supported more Ukrainian refugees per head of population than any other EU country.
4. As a non-NATO member it has contributed non-lethal aid to Ukraine.Why don't you look up Ireland's contributions to UN peacekeeping in which Irish soldiers get killed frequently.
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@connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl Really?
1. The EU hasn't sanctioned the product.
2. Ireland applies EU sanctions.
3. Ireland has taken in, housed and supported more Ukrainian refugees per head of population than any other EU country.
4. As a non-NATO member it has contributed non-lethal aid to Ukraine.Why don't you look up Ireland's contributions to UN peacekeeping in which Irish soldiers get killed frequently.
@samueljohnson @connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl In the article the request is to sanction the export of aluminium which would resolve your point 1&2. And what is the point in doing your points 3&4 while at the same time supplying material to Russia for weapons? Weapon manufacturars in Russia are santionned btw. And then there is as always morality, not number 1 for most businesses but important imo.
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@connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl Really?
1. The EU hasn't sanctioned the product.
2. Ireland applies EU sanctions.
3. Ireland has taken in, housed and supported more Ukrainian refugees per head of population than any other EU country.
4. As a non-NATO member it has contributed non-lethal aid to Ukraine.Why don't you look up Ireland's contributions to UN peacekeeping in which Irish soldiers get killed frequently.
@samueljohnson @connynasch @randahl
I claimed nothing else; rather, I clearly defined the responsibility (companies/investors and the EU). -
@samueljohnson @connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl In the article the request is to sanction the export of aluminium which would resolve your point 1&2. And what is the point in doing your points 3&4 while at the same time supplying material to Russia for weapons? Weapon manufacturars in Russia are santionned btw. And then there is as always morality, not number 1 for most businesses but important imo.
@Nairamtrab @samueljohnson @connynasch @randahl
The problem would be comprehensively resolved if the EU were to carry out its work thoroughly. Nevertheless, the local workers and people would still be adversely affected—because all those in positions of responsibility failed to act with foresight and human dignity. -
We are 1536 days into the Ukraine war, and Ireland is still helping the Russian weapons factories with raw materials.
The Russian production of aluminum used in the drones that kill civilians in Ukraine is made possible by the raw material alumina from Irish company Aughinish Alumina, which is owned by Russian company Rusal.
Irish authorities need to take over that factory Monday morning.
https://www.occrp.org/en/news/european-lawmakers-alumina-russian-arms
@randahl Rusal also owns a factory in Sweden that should have been seized a long time ago:
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@randahl Rusal also owns a factory in Sweden that should have been seized a long time ago:
@randahl Calls from one of the smaller parties in the parliament (Centerpartiet, centre-right but non-authoritarian liberal) to nationalise the Rusal owned factory have been reiterated:
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@samueljohnson @connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl In the article the request is to sanction the export of aluminium which would resolve your point 1&2. And what is the point in doing your points 3&4 while at the same time supplying material to Russia for weapons? Weapon manufacturars in Russia are santionned btw. And then there is as always morality, not number 1 for most businesses but important imo.
@Nairamtrab @samueljohnson @connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl "In matters of death, SPECTRE is strictly impartial"
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We are 1536 days into the Ukraine war, and Ireland is still helping the Russian weapons factories with raw materials.
The Russian production of aluminum used in the drones that kill civilians in Ukraine is made possible by the raw material alumina from Irish company Aughinish Alumina, which is owned by Russian company Rusal.
Irish authorities need to take over that factory Monday morning.
https://www.occrp.org/en/news/european-lawmakers-alumina-russian-arms
In Ireland, a government spokesperson told the Irish Times that authorities were “aware of reports relating to Aughinish Alumina,” were taking them “very seriously,” and were actively examining the issues raised.
In clear text, ireland is making money and as long as it does so nothing will change.
Russia can continue making weapons parts from Aluminium produced in EU.
What a disgusting shitshow.
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@Nairamtrab @samueljohnson @connynasch @randahl
The problem would be comprehensively resolved if the EU were to carry out its work thoroughly. Nevertheless, the local workers and people would still be adversely affected—because all those in positions of responsibility failed to act with foresight and human dignity.@SamsenBdRi @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl This is simplistic. There isn't a country in Europe that isn't trading with Russia either directly or indirectly. Some are importing hydrocarbons. Some are exporting goods via 3rd parties in Turkey and elsewhere. Anyone would think Ireland was exporting weapons. It isn't. Alumina is also used for other things. The Irish govt will take action if and when EU sanctions include alumina. So far that hasn't happened.
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We are 1536 days into the Ukraine war, and Ireland is still helping the Russian weapons factories with raw materials.
The Russian production of aluminum used in the drones that kill civilians in Ukraine is made possible by the raw material alumina from Irish company Aughinish Alumina, which is owned by Russian company Rusal.
Irish authorities need to take over that factory Monday morning.
https://www.occrp.org/en/news/european-lawmakers-alumina-russian-arms
@randahl That's so past unacceptable...
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@SamsenBdRi @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl This is simplistic. There isn't a country in Europe that isn't trading with Russia either directly or indirectly. Some are importing hydrocarbons. Some are exporting goods via 3rd parties in Turkey and elsewhere. Anyone would think Ireland was exporting weapons. It isn't. Alumina is also used for other things. The Irish govt will take action if and when EU sanctions include alumina. So far that hasn't happened.
@samueljohnson @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl
That's not entirely correct.To reiterate:
Instead of diversifying the business after the outbreak of war in 2022 (i.e., seeking more customers in Europe or the USA), Aughinish Alumina's management actually massively increased exports to Russia.
While Russia accounted for only about 23% of exports in 2020, this share rose to an estimated 68% to 70% by 2024.
The government tolerated this?
Please stick to the point (locale), Samuel.
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@samueljohnson @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl
That's not entirely correct.To reiterate:
Instead of diversifying the business after the outbreak of war in 2022 (i.e., seeking more customers in Europe or the USA), Aughinish Alumina's management actually massively increased exports to Russia.
While Russia accounted for only about 23% of exports in 2020, this share rose to an estimated 68% to 70% by 2024.
The government tolerated this?
Please stick to the point (locale), Samuel.
@SamsenBdRi @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl Nothing you have just written contradicts a word of what I wrote. Take your own advice please.
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@Nairamtrab @samueljohnson @connynasch @SamsenBdRi @randahl "In matters of death, SPECTRE is strictly impartial"
@ahltorp @Nairamtrab @samueljohnson @connynasch @randahl
That's amusing, and I'm always up for something amusing/sarcastic.But Putin isn't impartial.
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@SamsenBdRi @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl This is simplistic. There isn't a country in Europe that isn't trading with Russia either directly or indirectly. Some are importing hydrocarbons. Some are exporting goods via 3rd parties in Turkey and elsewhere. Anyone would think Ireland was exporting weapons. It isn't. Alumina is also used for other things. The Irish govt will take action if and when EU sanctions include alumina. So far that hasn't happened.
@samueljohnson Who is "the EU"? Who specifically makes that decision?
(Along with decisions such as banning tourist visas for Russians, to take an example closer to me...)
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@samueljohnson Who is "the EU"? Who specifically makes that decision?
(Along with decisions such as banning tourist visas for Russians, to take an example closer to me...)
@Veza85UE You use the EU flag as an avatar but haven't a clue how EU decisions are made?
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@samueljohnson Who is "the EU"? Who specifically makes that decision?
(Along with decisions such as banning tourist visas for Russians, to take an example closer to me...)
@samueljohnson For some unfathomable reason, juvenile petulance was chosen instead of an answer. Good morning.
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@SamsenBdRi @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl Nothing you have just written contradicts a word of what I wrote. Take your own advice please.
@samueljohnson @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl
Don't want to repeat her words now.But I wrote:
"Not quite right." – please read!
The government will – and this is the point – focus on Russia as a customer. Couldn't the government have prevented this without the EU?
But the discussion is moot, since we’re actually of the same opinion.
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@SamsenBdRi @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl This is simplistic. There isn't a country in Europe that isn't trading with Russia either directly or indirectly. Some are importing hydrocarbons. Some are exporting goods via 3rd parties in Turkey and elsewhere. Anyone would think Ireland was exporting weapons. It isn't. Alumina is also used for other things. The Irish govt will take action if and when EU sanctions include alumina. So far that hasn't happened.
@samueljohnson @SamsenBdRi @connynasch @randahl EU should definitely be more thorough. Yes, other companies and countries are doing the same, but it doesn’t justify it. It doesn’t hurt to call out what companies and countries are doing. I have trouble to understand the lack of morality. I do feel sorry for the workers, because for the leadership all will probably work out fine, while they are responsible for bad decisions in the past.
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@samueljohnson For some unfathomable reason, juvenile petulance was chosen instead of an answer. Good morning.
@Veza85UE @samueljohnson @Nairamtrab @connynasch @randahl
"No, presumably not really, we are all on the same side: Ukraine/Europe/World Peace
️— and on the side of the Irish workers 
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