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  3. ⚠️ A reminder that like all social networks Mastodon is not end-to-end encrypted.

⚠️ A reminder that like all social networks Mastodon is not end-to-end encrypted.

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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    ⚠️ A reminder that like all social networks Mastodon is not end-to-end encrypted. It is not designed or intended as a way to send sensitive information.

    If you need to send private messages with sensitive content, use a secure messenger with end-to-end encryption both present and activated.

    Some options are XMPP with OMEMO (https://joinjabber.org), @delta & @briar

    Another is Signal, but Signal is centralised which makes it more vulnerable to enshittification or selling itself to Meta etc.

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    #29

    @briar @delta @FediTips
    I followed the advice for installing XMPP.
    But without contacts 😢
    What's a good way to get people to also sign up? Is starting with chat-groups the best way?

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    • tswerts@mstdn.socialT tswerts@mstdn.social

      @briar @delta @FediTips
      I followed the advice for installing XMPP.
      But without contacts 😢
      What's a good way to get people to also sign up? Is starting with chat-groups the best way?

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      #30

      @tswerts

      The idea of https://joinjabber.org is to give people an easy way to get started, so I guess it might be useful to encourage others to sign up there and then exchange addresses with them so you can add them to your contacts.

      It works in a similar way to the Fediverse, if you exchange addresses you can follow each other even if your server hasn't noticed their account yet.

      If you want to set up your own server, @snikket_im is an excellent option which suits non-tech people too.

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      • stonebear2@hachyderm.ioS stonebear2@hachyderm.io

        @FediTips @briar @delta You can also turn on "delete after X amount of time" on Signal which can mitigate enshittification... I mean, yes, doing FOSS-distributed e2ee is *best*, but as St. Linus once said, never let perfect get in the way of good enough.

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        #31

        @stonebear2

        Enshittification doesn't happen in the growth phase. In the growth phase everything is great and users are treated like royalty.

        But when a network becomes so dominant that people feel forced to use it (such as Whatsapp) then the enshittification can start, because people can't escape any more.

        The more people that congregate on a centralised service, the closer you are bringing that service to enshittification, and the more people will be trapped on it.

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        • rubinjoni@mastodon.socialR rubinjoni@mastodon.social

          @FediTips @danielnazer Also, it's published at the Apple App Store by Signal Messenger LLC. Brian Acton is the CEO of Signal Messenger LLC, and chairman of Signal Foundation. Right now, Signal is the best "daily driver" messenger. It is in risk of enshittification (we're looking at you, Mozilla!), but right now it is the secure option that just works.

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          #32

          @rubinjoni

          Signal just works because it's centralised and gets lots of money from a billionaire.

          This is the same path Whatsapp took, with the same guy in charge. The more people use it the closer it gets to that fate.

          I get that Signal so much easier than other options, but that ease of use is for all the wrong reasons: centralisation and billionaire cash.

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            @rubinjoni

            Signal just works because it's centralised and gets lots of money from a billionaire.

            This is the same path Whatsapp took, with the same guy in charge. The more people use it the closer it gets to that fate.

            I get that Signal so much easier than other options, but that ease of use is for all the wrong reasons: centralisation and billionaire cash.

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            #33

            @FediTips We can't all be radio operators using single-use tabs...

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            • rubinjoni@mastodon.socialR rubinjoni@mastodon.social

              @FediTips We can't all be radio operators using single-use tabs...

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              #34

              @rubinjoni

              If people can set up and use email, they can set up and use XMPP.

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              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                @rubinjoni

                If people can set up and use email, they can set up and use XMPP.

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                #35

                @FediTips I ran my own Prosody server for a while, on my own physical machine. Couldn't onboard people who are not 100% into FOSS to use mobile phone apps like Conversations. The best I could do is Signal.

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                • rubinjoni@mastodon.socialR rubinjoni@mastodon.social

                  @FediTips I ran my own Prosody server for a while, on my own physical machine. Couldn't onboard people who are not 100% into FOSS to use mobile phone apps like Conversations. The best I could do is Signal.

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                  @rubinjoni

                  What did they struggle with in the onboarding? Did they give you feedback about it?

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    @beachcomber

                    Yes, have seen that.

                    They write: "(Federated networks) can feel like you’re controlling your own destiny, whether or not that’s true. And those emotions can be a powerful thing."

                    It's kind of patronising and arrogant, implying that those who value decentralisation are deluding themselves for emotional reasons 🙄

                    Sort of difficult to take the author seriously when they won't take the reader seriously.

                    They also don't say what happens if Signal's owner sells out to Meta again.

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                    #37

                    @FediTips @beachcomber > Sort of difficult to take the author seriously when they won't take the reader seriously.

                    It is difficult, but you should be able to do it. Don’t discard the valid parts of the criticism just because the author is not writing this without biases. There are good points made in the article, even though I don’t think PGP is “stupid”.

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                    • villasbc@mastodon.socialV villasbc@mastodon.social

                      @FediTips @beachcomber > Sort of difficult to take the author seriously when they won't take the reader seriously.

                      It is difficult, but you should be able to do it. Don’t discard the valid parts of the criticism just because the author is not writing this without biases. There are good points made in the article, even though I don’t think PGP is “stupid”.

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                      @villasbc

                      Fair enough! My main problem with the article though is it doesn't say what happens if Signal enshittifies. Even if Signal has the best encryption in the world now, it can change in the future.

                      Lots of centralised services start out really good and useful, but then turn bad when they get into a dominant position and have users locked in. There's just no easy way to leave a popular centralised messenger service, all your contacts are there.

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