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  3. The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions.

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  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

    The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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    #6

    @talexb and the imbecile running Ontario is all in on imaginary nuclear technology (SMRs)

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    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

      The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

      aanee@mastodon.onlineA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #7

      @infobeautiful A basic trend curve would have given a better prediction.

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      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

        The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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        #8

        @infobeautiful how big is a medium sized city, in population terms?

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        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

          The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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          #9

          @infobeautiful why were people predicting a /downslope/ for so long, seems like a bizarre forecast. “Oh, solar rates have been climbing modestly for the last few years but I’m sure it’s just a passing fad…”

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          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

            The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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            #10

            @infobeautiful the IEA is famous for denying what cannot be denied until the very last minute.

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            • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

              The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

              dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #11

              @infobeautiful This might explain why I'm reading about prices of PV electricity sold to the grid plummeting (as there is barely any storage capacity).

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              • martin@libera.siteM martin@libera.site
                @Information Is Beautiful Power for several hours a day. In winter time even weeks without power, sometimes.
                tartley@fosstodon.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #12

                @martin ??? Solar plus wind plus batteries provide power for free, reducing need for fossil fuel dependence by 80% or 100% in some places, what's not to like?

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                • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                  @infobeautiful A basic trend curve would have given a better prediction.

                  tartley@fosstodon.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #13

                  @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

                  aanee@mastodon.onlineA klegdixal@social.vivaldi.netK whvholst@eupolicy.socialW dryak@mstdn.scienceD bigheadmode@social.linux.pizzaB 5 Replies Last reply
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                  • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                    @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                    #14

                    @tartley @infobeautiful True enough, but I still think the expectations in the graph are extremely pessimistic.

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                    • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                      @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                      #15

                      @tartley @aanee @infobeautiful that's what the predictions assumed. But nobody expected the Chinese inquisition.

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                      • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                        @tartley @infobeautiful True enough, but I still think the expectations in the graph are extremely pessimistic.

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                        #16

                        @aanee @infobeautiful oh yes, you are absolutely right! Extremely well funded and insidious thumbs on the scales from the fossil fuel lobby.

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                        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                          The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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                          #17

                          @infobeautiful

                          Soon this will need a log scale…

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                          • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                            @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                            #18

                            @tartley @aanee @infobeautiful It will turn into an S-curve sometime after the full electrification of Africa, South and South-East Asia and Latin America.

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                            • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                              @martin ??? Solar plus wind plus batteries provide power for free, reducing need for fossil fuel dependence by 80% or 100% in some places, what's not to like?

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                              #19
                              @Jonathan Hartley Nope. You need 100% backup(from about 50% of Ren share). Fossil backup.
                              That's why it's not cheap. and will not be. Never.

                              #^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkelflaute
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                              • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                                @infobeautiful This might explain why I'm reading about prices of PV electricity sold to the grid plummeting (as there is barely any storage capacity).

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                                #20

                                @dzwiedziu @infobeautiful storage capacity is artifically restrained. We have the tech to store electricity cheap and with a one-time low investment and minimal maintenance sosts, we have the millenia old tech to store heat, yet more and more legislatures are -lobbied- bribed to make cheap perpetual solutions illegal.

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                                • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @dzwiedziu @infobeautiful storage capacity is artifically restrained. We have the tech to store electricity cheap and with a one-time low investment and minimal maintenance sosts, we have the millenia old tech to store heat, yet more and more legislatures are -lobbied- bribed to make cheap perpetual solutions illegal.

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                                  #21

                                  @ohir
                                  [citation needed]

                                  @infobeautiful

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                                  • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                                    @ohir
                                    [citation needed]

                                    @infobeautiful

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                                    #22

                                    @dzwiedziu @infobeautiful are you asking about "lobbying" efforts (this would be R 2023/1542 and Digital Battery Passport kicking in next year). The whole regulations only skim non-patentable technologies, like lead-acid batteries. These can be operational for millenia, due to their simple chemistry. The only maintenance that must be done is on-site processing of sulfated battery plates. Something that once upon a time (1950-1990) was being done on the massive scale in Central/East Europe countries. Then lobbied country's legislative can bar mid-sized installations as unable to met the EU demands (tried recently in Poland afair).

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                                    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                      The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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                                      #23

                                      @infobeautiful The opposite of

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                                      • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                                        @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                                        #24

                                        @tartley @aanee @infobeautiful Well, what would be a limitting factors that would make it more expensive/more difficult to keep expanding solar?

                                        => running out of physical space to build panels on:
                                        Yes but this isn't happening anytime soon and we would have beaten current world energy production well before that point is reached

                                        => running out or raw materials:
                                        Plenty of time until then too, and recycling older panels could help too.

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                                        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                          The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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                                          #25

                                          @infobeautiful

                                          war and conflict is unfortunately a likely major contributor to this, though I'm glad the shift is happening

                                          just look at what happened to Cuba lately, without fuel the society goes to a standstill, they desperately need more green tech and everyone will know that unless they also make the shift, the unpredictability of fossil fuel politics may hit them hard at some point, adding to all the other existing arguments to shift

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