If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
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@davidgerard @mozilla Screenshoted for when they inevitably take it down...
@davidgerard @mozilla Well given they're spamming that drivel to anyone who criticises them, or asks for a refund, I guess they think they have a rock solid response here that convinces everyone of how wonderfully enlightened they are.
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
> Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy
Mullvad claim to delete your payment information quickly, hence the short refund period. They say this is so they don't know who their customers are. So this will be a good test of their data retention policy.
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla @Viss This is why we can’t have nice things.
Mullvad was the only VPN I knew of with a truly private service. So many other VPNs are absolute garbage that keep data on you and use misleading marketing.So what’s the alternative now?
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@davidgerard @mozilla @Viss This is why we can’t have nice things.
Mullvad was the only VPN I knew of with a truly private service. So many other VPNs are absolute garbage that keep data on you and use misleading marketing.So what’s the alternative now?
@thomasareed @davidgerard @mozilla i have a hardware firewall in a colo on 10 gig copper, and its my endpoint. ive given a few friends access to it so they can be afforded the same "be on a vpn when you leave the house" setup I have. the alternative is you either build your own vpn infra, or you use a friends.
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@davidgerard @mozilla @Viss This is why we can’t have nice things.
Mullvad was the only VPN I knew of with a truly private service. So many other VPNs are absolute garbage that keep data on you and use misleading marketing.So what’s the alternative now?
@thomasareed @davidgerard @mozilla @Viss I was thinking about nym as an alternative, but it seems something new
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@davidgerard @mozilla
Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy,No part of that statement rejects support for nazis. It is just stinky word bending Hogwash.
The only part of that statement I believe is
Mullvad is a Political company.
Away from the crap.and fighting for a free speech and information platform for nazis.
@Kerplunk yeah Nazis are famously supportive of freedom of expression, it's just logical to defend them if you value freedom of expression! @davidgerard @mozilla
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla I would really love it if I could go ONE YEAR without having to change providers because they can't provide a safe/secure product or are paying lip service to their stated goals. Good thing I started putting calendar reminders for when these services expire so I can pivot.
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard well fuck. Pulling the "respecting differences of opinion" card is such a weak-ass move.
Fuck the far right (by whatever name), and fuck all its supporters.
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@davidgerard well fuck. Pulling the "respecting differences of opinion" card is such a weak-ass move.
Fuck the far right (by whatever name), and fuck all its supporters.
@alice @davidgerard 'respect differences of opinion' is great to a point, but, the paradox of tolerance ('nazi bar problem' and similar) has been a known issue since the 1940's (with some ideas in that vein as far back as the start of the 1800s at least) -.- so, weak and also has decades of analysis and argument around it that generally goes unaddressed by those invoking it...
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla that is rough to hear. Welp, time to find a new VPN.
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@davidgerard @mozilla @Viss This is why we can’t have nice things.
Mullvad was the only VPN I knew of with a truly private service. So many other VPNs are absolute garbage that keep data on you and use misleading marketing.So what’s the alternative now?
@thomasareed IVPN seems fair. No email needed just like Mullvad, same options for payments, open-source apps, very clear promises and also debunking of misinformation other VPN companies often say to convince people who don't need a VPN to pay them.
To be clear though, I haven't used them before, they've just been recommended by others for a while and a cursory look at their site gives me a fairly good impression of their honesty and values.
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@alice @davidgerard 'respect differences of opinion' is great to a point, but, the paradox of tolerance ('nazi bar problem' and similar) has been a known issue since the 1940's (with some ideas in that vein as far back as the start of the 1800s at least) -.- so, weak and also has decades of analysis and argument around it that generally goes unaddressed by those invoking it...
@alice @davidgerard Like, if you *really* want to make a good argument about not removing the nazis from an organizational framing - it's not an issue of tolerance, but of whether that organization should be empowered to determine what is tolerable, because authoritarians use that power as we're seeing in the US now - declaring antifascism intolerance, while 'tolerating' (or, openly embracing, in this case) fascism. So, there is at least a reasonable argument to diffuse the decision communally
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@alice @davidgerard Like, if you *really* want to make a good argument about not removing the nazis from an organizational framing - it's not an issue of tolerance, but of whether that organization should be empowered to determine what is tolerable, because authoritarians use that power as we're seeing in the US now - declaring antifascism intolerance, while 'tolerating' (or, openly embracing, in this case) fascism. So, there is at least a reasonable argument to diffuse the decision communally
@alice @davidgerard but often they end up at 'we won't take a stand on this, but also will not allow the community to either'
which just means welcoming in nazis, and forcing their victims out.
(Or they explicitly take a stand with the intolerant, but won't tolerate their victims, ofc, adding evidence to why there is a valid criticism of allowing centralized power-structures to make the choice in the first place...) -
@gourd guess we'll just have to take it out of their hide then
call for a refund anyway. "your official mastodon said to demand a refund if we don't want to give money to Nazis". hit consumer protection. reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive conduct.
@davidgerard @gourd Well, I guess that means they'll start kicking out pirates and hacktivists too. For a while, Mullvad was the go-to if you didn't want to run a VPS or do extensive research to find a non-ransomware owned VPN provider. Not everyone has the funds, knowledge, or time to utilize the best techniques in amateur opsec for just consuming and distributing media, so a VPN is the next choice. Fascism isn't a choice for anyone with a conscience.
Yarrg, abandon ship!
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
Is this a good time to rave about my cool Proton VPN?
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla damn, been using mullvad b/c easy built-in integration with tailscale. i'll guess i'll need to pressure tailscale to dump mullvad.
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Is this a good time to rave about my cool Proton VPN?
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@thomasareed @davidgerard @mozilla @Viss I was thinking about nym as an alternative, but it seems something new
@vandefiets @thomasareed @davidgerard@circumstances.run @mozilla @Viss Nym you're trading one fascist for another based on Nym's X posting (https://nitter.net/nym), reposting GB News, reposting xyz free speech absolutists who happen to have merch stores that say exactly where they sit in fascism and conspiracy, and then Harry, Nym's founder and owner, being proud about Nym using Brave's adblock engine in their VPN (https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/), and then they have an Israeli server option so they're funding Israel.
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@davidgerard unfortunately their refund policy they're bringing up is "paid in the last 14 days"
so a lot of people can't get shit
@gourd @davidgerard
I contacted support and stated my disgust at the situation and got the following reply
@estelle4565
https://masto.nu/users/estelle4565/statuses/116823398485121427
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard what are you guys using instead?
