If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
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@alice @davidgerard 'respect differences of opinion' is great to a point, but, the paradox of tolerance ('nazi bar problem' and similar) has been a known issue since the 1940's (with some ideas in that vein as far back as the start of the 1800s at least) -.- so, weak and also has decades of analysis and argument around it that generally goes unaddressed by those invoking it...
@alice @davidgerard Like, if you *really* want to make a good argument about not removing the nazis from an organizational framing - it's not an issue of tolerance, but of whether that organization should be empowered to determine what is tolerable, because authoritarians use that power as we're seeing in the US now - declaring antifascism intolerance, while 'tolerating' (or, openly embracing, in this case) fascism. So, there is at least a reasonable argument to diffuse the decision communally
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@alice @davidgerard Like, if you *really* want to make a good argument about not removing the nazis from an organizational framing - it's not an issue of tolerance, but of whether that organization should be empowered to determine what is tolerable, because authoritarians use that power as we're seeing in the US now - declaring antifascism intolerance, while 'tolerating' (or, openly embracing, in this case) fascism. So, there is at least a reasonable argument to diffuse the decision communally
@alice @davidgerard but often they end up at 'we won't take a stand on this, but also will not allow the community to either'
which just means welcoming in nazis, and forcing their victims out.
(Or they explicitly take a stand with the intolerant, but won't tolerate their victims, ofc, adding evidence to why there is a valid criticism of allowing centralized power-structures to make the choice in the first place...) -
@gourd guess we'll just have to take it out of their hide then
call for a refund anyway. "your official mastodon said to demand a refund if we don't want to give money to Nazis". hit consumer protection. reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive conduct.
@davidgerard @gourd Well, I guess that means they'll start kicking out pirates and hacktivists too. For a while, Mullvad was the go-to if you didn't want to run a VPS or do extensive research to find a non-ransomware owned VPN provider. Not everyone has the funds, knowledge, or time to utilize the best techniques in amateur opsec for just consuming and distributing media, so a VPN is the next choice. Fascism isn't a choice for anyone with a conscience.
Yarrg, abandon ship!
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
Is this a good time to rave about my cool Proton VPN?
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla damn, been using mullvad b/c easy built-in integration with tailscale. i'll guess i'll need to pressure tailscale to dump mullvad.
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Is this a good time to rave about my cool Proton VPN?
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@thomasareed @davidgerard @mozilla @Viss I was thinking about nym as an alternative, but it seems something new
@vandefiets @thomasareed @davidgerard@circumstances.run @mozilla @Viss Nym you're trading one fascist for another based on Nym's X posting (https://nitter.net/nym), reposting GB News, reposting xyz free speech absolutists who happen to have merch stores that say exactly where they sit in fascism and conspiracy, and then Harry, Nym's founder and owner, being proud about Nym using Brave's adblock engine in their VPN (https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/), and then they have an Israeli server option so they're funding Israel.
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@davidgerard unfortunately their refund policy they're bringing up is "paid in the last 14 days"
so a lot of people can't get shit
@gourd @davidgerard
I contacted support and stated my disgust at the situation and got the following reply
@estelle4565
https://masto.nu/users/estelle4565/statuses/116823398485121427
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard what are you guys using instead?
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla whats a good alternative?
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@gourd guess we'll just have to take it out of their hide then
call for a refund anyway. "your official mastodon said to demand a refund if we don't want to give money to Nazis". hit consumer protection. reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive conduct.
@davidgerard I'm doing my part!
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard While maybe the owners, founders whoever of Mullvad may have their agreements to agree to disagree I for one disagree strictly at supporting Nazis who, with all due respect, never agree to disagree.
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@davidgerard what are you guys using instead?
@pupchester ssh -D
(really)
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@Kerplunk yeah Nazis are famously supportive of freedom of expression, it's just logical to defend them if you value freedom of expression! @davidgerard @mozilla
@ehproque @davidgerard @mozilla
@Kerplunk yeah Nazis are famously supportive of freedom of expression, it's just logical to defend them if you value freedom of expression! @davidgerard @mozilla
Have you ever tried to speak freely in an AFD Dominated room, the only thing the Fascists want is room for their lies deciept gaslighting and Hate Speech.
Anyone who contradicts will be violently rebuked (often Physically) Threatened including friends and family.
Mozilla is supporting that! by choice
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@ehproque @davidgerard @mozilla
@Kerplunk yeah Nazis are famously supportive of freedom of expression, it's just logical to defend them if you value freedom of expression! @davidgerard @mozilla
Have you ever tried to speak freely in an AFD Dominated room, the only thing the Fascists want is room for their lies deciept gaslighting and Hate Speech.
Anyone who contradicts will be violently rebuked (often Physically) Threatened including friends and family.
Mozilla is supporting that! by choice
@Kerplunk @davidgerard @mozilla they even made special housing, organised with different colours, for the people whose free speech they valued the most!. Free transport too!
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
@davidgerard @mozilla Damn it. Every time I find a service that I like .
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@davidgerard what are you guys using instead?
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If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately
that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to
EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.
If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.
archive copy of Mullvad statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20260627172939/https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
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@davidgerard I'm doing my part!
@davidgerard UPDATE: They asked me for an invoice ID. They may actually grant me the refund? That would be very good
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