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  3. Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software.

Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    @larsmb @tomw they are identified: By OpenAI's and Meta's and Anthropic's HR department to offer them jobs

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    #11

    @tante @tomw I didn't mean the one or two people who had them vibed, but the masses who run and operate them even more recklessly.

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software. That disregard for security and quality should leave a black mark on you for many years.

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      #12

      @tante Unfit… or “security expert at Meta” 😂

      https://www.golem.de/news/bei-sicherheitsexpertin-ki-agent-leert-unerwartet-ganzen-e-mail-posteingang-2602-205762.html

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software. That disregard for security and quality should leave a black mark on you for many years.

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        #13

        @tante more like OpenClown, huh.

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        • art_codesmith@toot.cafeA art_codesmith@toot.cafe

          @tante So um... funny thing I read on LinkedIn today... #DHH

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          #14

          @art_codesmith @tante lol he’s so proud of his agent, and then his story amounts to “I told the AI to do something. It couldn’t and didn’t have any idea how to proceed. So I told it to do a different thing first. And it did that, all on its own, no prompting from me! Then it did the first thing I told it to do. With no direction at all!”

          Like awww it’s almost sweet that you don’t know what prompting and direction are, David! Truly groundbreaking.

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          • tomw@mastodon.socialT tomw@mastodon.social

            @tante I agree BUT even if you run it on a Mac Mini or VPS or whatever without giving it your own data or accounts, it can still go and bother other internet users, for example by emailing them, sending spurious Github pull requests, making phone calls (!), the recent case of one making a hostile blog post about a named person, and so on.

            Even if you make it not a danger to you, it remains a danger to others.

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            #15

            @tomw @tante we've gotta put some kind of regulation in place for this. What happens if an agent does something illegal? Presumably someone needs to be held accountable (I would hope it would be the operator). So there's got to be some way to link agent to operator. Otherwise, where's the accountability?

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software. That disregard for security and quality should leave a black mark on you for many years.

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              #16

              @tante

              “Meaningful system” here, includes a network.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software. That disregard for security and quality should leave a black mark on you for many years.

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                #17

                @tante Here's the corporate vice president of Microsoft Word running #OpenClaw to organize his family tasks and comms: https://www.omarknows.ai/p/meet-lobster-my-personal-ai-assistant

                Don't worry, I'm sure no malicious actors will ever target his setup to compromise #Microsoft network. I mean, they'll only have access to all info and location of his loved ones. Surely there's zero monetary value in that...

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                • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                  @tante Here's the corporate vice president of Microsoft Word running #OpenClaw to organize his family tasks and comms: https://www.omarknows.ai/p/meet-lobster-my-personal-ai-assistant

                  Don't worry, I'm sure no malicious actors will ever target his setup to compromise #Microsoft network. I mean, they'll only have access to all info and location of his loved ones. Surely there's zero monetary value in that...

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                  #18

                  @tante OMFG. He has now connected #OpenClaw to his smart home AND published a full playbook of his setup:
                  https://lobster.shahine.com/

                  A senior leader at Microsoft basically gave the keys to his front door to autonomous GenAI agents.

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                  • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                    @tante OMFG. He has now connected #OpenClaw to his smart home AND published a full playbook of his setup:
                    https://lobster.shahine.com/

                    A senior leader at Microsoft basically gave the keys to his front door to autonomous GenAI agents.

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                    #19

                    @jukkan professionals

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                    • lennybacon@infosec.exchangeL lennybacon@infosec.exchange

                      @tante Unfit… or “security expert at Meta” 😂

                      https://www.golem.de/news/bei-sicherheitsexpertin-ki-agent-leert-unerwartet-ganzen-e-mail-posteingang-2602-205762.html

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                      #20

                      @lennybacon

                      "Das wird nicht nochmal passieren."

                      😂😂😂

                      @tante

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                      • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                        @tante Here's the corporate vice president of Microsoft Word running #OpenClaw to organize his family tasks and comms: https://www.omarknows.ai/p/meet-lobster-my-personal-ai-assistant

                        Don't worry, I'm sure no malicious actors will ever target his setup to compromise #Microsoft network. I mean, they'll only have access to all info and location of his loved ones. Surely there's zero monetary value in that...

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                        #21

                        @jukkan @tante fucking hell, some people REALLY crave having a personal assistant a la JARVIS. i particularly find the bit at the end creepy, where the AI compliments him on how "well written" his post is. validation/praise sycophant machine...

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                        • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

                          @jukkan @tante fucking hell, some people REALLY crave having a personal assistant a la JARVIS. i particularly find the bit at the end creepy, where the AI compliments him on how "well written" his post is. validation/praise sycophant machine...

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                          #22

                          @patrick_h_lauke @jukkan @tante

                          there is stupidity, and there is clinical levels of stupidity. The AI bubble actively selects for the latter

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                          • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                            @tante Here's the corporate vice president of Microsoft Word running #OpenClaw to organize his family tasks and comms: https://www.omarknows.ai/p/meet-lobster-my-personal-ai-assistant

                            Don't worry, I'm sure no malicious actors will ever target his setup to compromise #Microsoft network. I mean, they'll only have access to all info and location of his loved ones. Surely there's zero monetary value in that...

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                            #23

                            @jukkan @tante

                            > From this point forward, this is only going to get better and more amazing

                            There's *no possible way* these words will ever come back to haunt him

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                            • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

                              @jukkan @tante fucking hell, some people REALLY crave having a personal assistant a la JARVIS. i particularly find the bit at the end creepy, where the AI compliments him on how "well written" his post is. validation/praise sycophant machine...

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                              #24

                              @patrick_h_lauke @jukkan @tante I mean - I’d want one too. I would also like to have a wand from any magic world you can imagine so magic could do my dishes. Getting either of those before the end of this decade is … unrealistic.

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                                @patrick_h_lauke @jukkan @tante I mean - I’d want one too. I would also like to have a wand from any magic world you can imagine so magic could do my dishes. Getting either of those before the end of this decade is … unrealistic.

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                                #25

                                @hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante "aren't you worried about privacy? no, since i pay for the service" oh sweet sweet summer child

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                                • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

                                  @hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante "aren't you worried about privacy? no, since i pay for the service" oh sweet sweet summer child

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                                  #26

                                  @patrick_h_lauke @hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante omfg

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                                  • jkmcnk@mastodon.socialJ jkmcnk@mastodon.social

                                    @patrick_h_lauke @hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante omfg

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                                    #27

                                    @jkmcnk @patrick_h_lauke @hiiaminfi @tante "Physical security matters. The Mac is in my office, which is in my house. If someone steals it, I have bigger problems."

                                    2 weeks later: "Behold! I have connected #OpenClaw with the smart home system that can open the door to my house!!!"

                                    https://www.omarknows.ai/p/lobster-gets-a-playbook-and-a-superpower

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                                    • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                                      @tante Here's the corporate vice president of Microsoft Word running #OpenClaw to organize his family tasks and comms: https://www.omarknows.ai/p/meet-lobster-my-personal-ai-assistant

                                      Don't worry, I'm sure no malicious actors will ever target his setup to compromise #Microsoft network. I mean, they'll only have access to all info and location of his loved ones. Surely there's zero monetary value in that...

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                                      #28

                                      @jukkan @tante @david_chisnall
                                      To be fair, how much more damage could a malicious actor do to Microsoft compared to their current management?

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                                      • fritzadalis@infosec.exchangeF fritzadalis@infosec.exchange

                                        @jukkan @tante @david_chisnall
                                        To be fair, how much more damage could a malicious actor do to Microsoft compared to their current management?

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                                        #29

                                        @FritzAdalis @tante @david_chisnall

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                                        • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                                          @jkmcnk @patrick_h_lauke @hiiaminfi @tante "Physical security matters. The Mac is in my office, which is in my house. If someone steals it, I have bigger problems."

                                          2 weeks later: "Behold! I have connected #OpenClaw with the smart home system that can open the door to my house!!!"

                                          https://www.omarknows.ai/p/lobster-gets-a-playbook-and-a-superpower

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                                          #30

                                          @jukkan @jkmcnk @patrick_h_lauke @tante this also boggles my mind. I own Smart home stuff. I get the Appeal. I really do. But Smart Locks creep me out.

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